ROBERTO MARTINEZ - Meet the new boss (Same as the old boss?)

West Ham are keen on swooping for Everton boss Roberto Martinez to replace Sam Allardyce, according to the Sunday Express.
Allardyce’s side have won just one game in their last 11 in the Premier League as they’ve slumped from fourth to 10th since Christmas.
Martinez has also come under scrutiny after a disappointing season with Everton, and could be lured to West Ham before the club move to the Olympic Stadium next year.

The President wrote:West Ham are keen on swooping for Everton boss Roberto Martinez to replace Sam Allardyce, according to the Sunday Express.
Allardyce’s side have won just one game in their last 11 in the Premier League as they’ve slumped from fourth to 10th since Christmas.
Martinez has also come under scrutiny after a disappointing season with Everton, and could be lured to West Ham before the club move to the Olympic Stadium next year.

he'd be perfect to take them back down

Egor 4 Pickles wrote:

The President wrote:West Ham are keen on swooping for Everton boss Roberto Martinez to replace Sam Allardyce, according to the Sunday Express.
Allardyce’s side have won just one game in their last 11 in the Premier League as they’ve slumped from fourth to 10th since Christmas.
Martinez has also come under scrutiny after a disappointing season with Everton, and could be lured to West Ham before the club move to the Olympic Stadium next year.

he'd be perfect to take them back down

and he can take ALL the shite he signed with him... apart from Macca

Egor 4 Pickles wrote:

Egor 4 Pickles wrote:

The President wrote:West Ham are keen on swooping for Everton boss Roberto Martinez to replace Sam Allardyce, according to the Sunday Express.
Allardyce’s side have won just one game in their last 11 in the Premier League as they’ve slumped from fourth to 10th since Christmas.
Martinez has also come under scrutiny after a disappointing season with Everton, and could be lured to West Ham before the club move to the Olympic Stadium next year.

he'd be perfect to take them back down

and he can take ALL the shite he signed with him... apart from Macca

can we keep his shoes?

error 404 wrote:

Egor 4 Pickles wrote:

Egor 4 Pickles wrote:

The President wrote:West Ham are keen on swooping for Everton boss Roberto Martinez to replace Sam Allardyce, according to the Sunday Express.
Allardyce’s side have won just one game in their last 11 in the Premier League as they’ve slumped from fourth to 10th since Christmas.
Martinez has also come under scrutiny after a disappointing season with Everton, and could be lured to West Ham before the club move to the Olympic Stadium next year.

he'd be perfect to take them back down

and he can take ALL the shite he signed with him... apart from Macca

can we keep his shoes?

he can have those too... I've bought my own now

So is Bobby Brown Bollocks forgiven and shall we give him one more season to see if he's got what it takes? Or should we just bin him off even if he wins all his remaining games?

error 404 wrote:So is Bobby Brown Bollocks forgiven and shall we give him one more season to see if he's got what it takes?  Or should we just bin him off even if he wins all his remaining games?

Looking at the run in of Swansea/Stoke and Us it's perfectly feasible that we could run up to finish 8th. Now, as you know Sacko its not always the question as to how you delivered the end result as long as the end result is there. If we had at the beginning of the season were given 8th in the league and a decent Europa run (recognising the ruin that EL usually presents), a defeat by penalties when reduced to 10 men - its only the shitty performance in the CCC that has really disappointed. I do believe we got injuries at crucial times and I would love to think we could recreate the stability we developed under Moyes.

I do really still believe we have more potential, and if we can hold our nerve (and key players) I still see us in a better moment than our neighbours who have a lot more soul searching on all fronts.

So in the eternal "Manager's got Talent" it's a "Yes" from me to keep him. But the boot camp in close season will need to be a lot more committed and less distracting.

Sack him. Yesterday just showed the potential of the squad, and what could have been under a half-decent manager.

He's a fucking useless clown. Looking at the rest of the shite in the PL this season, we should have been where Southampton are now. The reason we're not is wearing brown shoes and talking fucking bollocks every week.

hairberto cataract wrote:Sack him.  Yesterday just showed the potential of the squad, and what could have been under a half-decent manager.

He's a fucking useless clown. Looking at the rest of the shite in the PL this season, we should have been where Southampton are now. The reason we're not is wearing brown shoes and talking fucking bollocks every week.

Sure... sit on the fence why don't you?

hairberto cataract wrote:Sack him.  Yesterday just showed the potential of the squad, and what could have been under a half-decent manager.

He's a fucking useless clown. Looking at the rest of the shite in the PL this season, we should have been where Southampton are now. The reason we're not is wearing brown shoes and talking fucking bollocks every week.

I can live with us having a shite season, as disappointing as it is, and on the presumption that we improve again next season. It's the talking bollocks that has really annoyed me this year.

Goodison_Gringo wrote:

hairberto cataract wrote:Sack him.  Yesterday just showed the potential of the squad, and what could have been under a half-decent manager.

He's a fucking useless clown. Looking at the rest of the shite in the PL this season, we should have been where Southampton are now. The reason we're not is wearing brown shoes and talking fucking bollocks every week.

I can live with us having a shite season, as disappointing as it is, and on the presumption that we improve again next season. It's the talking bollocks that has really annoyed me this year.

Yep, same. I think I'd give him a chance next season to see what he can do as last season we were so good. There were some awful times with moyes, but the squad was generally a decent excuse. Moyes learnt, the team learnt and we moved on. It would be stupid not to give Martinez the same chances. This past 5-6 game run has seen us tighten up at the back significantly, which was definitely a weakness at the start of the season. If we can carry on like this, we'll be a decent team next year.

Tonteau wrote:This past 5-6 game run has seen us tighten up at the back significantly, which was definitely a weakness at the start of the season. If we can carry on like this, we'll be a decent team next year.

We've actually only lost 5 out of our last 21 games!

The fact that" Martinez" only has the Premiership programme next season ,leaves us No distraction or room for error , anything less than a good cup run and at least 6th place ,otherwise it's time to say goodbye.

sefton wrote:The fact that" Martinez" only has the Premiership programme next season ,leaves us No distraction or room for error , anything less than a good cup run and at least 6th place ,otherwise it's time to say goodbye.

only 6th?
You going easy on him?

Yankthattoffee wrote:

sefton wrote:The fact that" Martinez" only has the Premiership programme next season ,leaves us No distraction or room for error , anything less than a good cup run and at least 6th place ,otherwise it's time to say goodbye.

only 6th?
You going easy on him?

Martinez deserves another season but Im hoping he's learnt from the many mistakes he's made this season.

He seems to have money at his disposal again this summer and I think the key to his success with us next term will be how he does in the transfer window. If he brings in a bunch of Alcarez, Kone, Mcgeady type signings then he will be gone by Christmas. If he hasnt realized by now that just signing his mates isnt good enough then he will deserve to be sacked.

Moyes first signings with us were equally as awful so hope that like Moyes he learns that quality as well as character are equally as important.

Problem with giving the useless wanker another season is that we are squandering one of the strongest squads we've had since the mid 80s on a clown without a clue. Even allowing for the shit he's bought, we've still got some exceptional players, young and not so young.

Last season even a complete idiot like Bobby was able to get us into 5th. This season he's blown it. A decent manager would have had us in the CL places last season, and at least top 6 this season. Moyes would have for a start, like him or loathe him.

So while we're sitting on the fence with Bobby, a quality team is underperforming and will ultimately break up. Another season of this wanker puts us back for a decade.

hairberto cataract wrote:Problem with giving the useless wanker another season is that we are squandering one of the strongest squads we've had since the mid 80s on a clown without a clue. Even allowing for the shit he's bought, we've still got some exceptional players, young and not so young.

Last season even a complete idiot like Bobby was able to get us into 5th. This season he's blown it. A decent manager would have had us in the CL places last season, and at least top 6 this season. Moyes would have for a start, like him or loathe him.

So while we're sitting on the fence with Bobby, a quality team is underperforming and will ultimately break up.  Another season of this wanker puts us back for a decade.

We all want to believe it, but ultimately the teams that finish top 4 are almost always those who have the highest wages and have spent the most money on players. It's easy to feel like we have a chance at champion's league but the simple fact is, we don't. The league is designed so rich teams with big squads can clean up and the rest of us are left hoping for a day in the sun like villa with the FA cup final and us in 2009.

Tonteau wrote:

hairberto cataract wrote:Problem with giving the useless wanker another season is that we are squandering one of the strongest squads we've had since the mid 80s on a clown without a clue. Even allowing for the shit he's bought, we've still got some exceptional players, young and not so young.

Last season even a complete idiot like Bobby was able to get us into 5th. This season he's blown it. A decent manager would have had us in the CL places last season, and at least top 6 this season. Moyes would have for a start, like him or loathe him.

So while we're sitting on the fence with Bobby, a quality team is underperforming and will ultimately break up.  Another season of this wanker puts us back for a decade.

We all want to believe it, but ultimately the teams that finish top 4 are almost always those who have the highest wages and have spent the most money on players. It's easy to feel like we have a chance at champion's league but the simple fact is, we don't. The league is designed so rich teams with big squads can clean up and the rest of us are left hoping for a day in the sun like villa with the FA cup final and us in 2009.

This is, sadly, the reality. In fact it is the reality that is now going to make sure that the Shoite also miss the boat, and in some respects I do feel for them that they are slowly starting to come to terms with the dark realisation.

In some respects LFC missing out (and surprisingly the great powerhouses of Milan -AC and Inter) might make the Shoite hope that the CL elite rethink the rules and think about a breakaway - but sadly the clubs who are taking their places bring the universal peace maker that is money (barrels of it) to the table and any qualms about LFC, AC Milan and Inter missing out dissipate.

It is the fact that clubs got so greedy and TV accommodated them and then really fed the addiction that has ruined football. In some ways I would happily have the lot of them pack up and form their own competition and leave the rest to have a truly open and competitive tournament. The horrible fact remains that the breakaway clubs actually do know that they need the others more than the others need them. Fans could not afford to travel week in wand week out where flights rather than shared cars is the norm. Attendances would drop and so would the quality of the "experience" - few fans would be converted to support their franchise club and it would appear alien. Which is why they need the minnows (even large minnows). But for the good of the game I would say either accept squad capping and total player squad salary caps to level the field or fuck off.

Tonteau wrote:

hairberto cataract wrote:Problem with giving the useless wanker another season is that we are squandering one of the strongest squads we've had since the mid 80s on a clown without a clue. Even allowing for the shit he's bought, we've still got some exceptional players, young and not so young.

Last season even a complete idiot like Bobby was able to get us into 5th. This season he's blown it. A decent manager would have had us in the CL places last season, and at least top 6 this season. Moyes would have for a start, like him or loathe him.

So while we're sitting on the fence with Bobby, a quality team is underperforming and will ultimately break up.  Another season of this wanker puts us back for a decade.

We all want to believe it, but ultimately the teams that finish top 4 are almost always those who have the highest wages and have spent the most money on players. It's easy to feel like we have a chance at champion's league but the simple fact is, we don't. The league is designed so rich teams with big squads can clean up and the rest of us are left hoping for a day in the sun like villa with the FA cup final and us in 2009.

Yes, I would agree, except for the fact we came close last season with the team Bobby inherited from Moyes, and not so long ago Moyes actually achieved a top four finish. And our current manager's job interview clincher was telling the Chairman that he would get him CL football.

Obviously we all now know that it was the delusional lying to the deluded but, nevertheless, I think we can expect more from our current squad than a slide down the table playing shit football, which is what we've been offered this season.

hairberto cataract wrote:

Tonteau wrote:

hairberto cataract wrote:Problem with giving the useless wanker another season is that we are squandering one of the strongest squads we've had since the mid 80s on a clown without a clue. Even allowing for the shit he's bought, we've still got some exceptional players, young and not so young.

Last season even a complete idiot like Bobby was able to get us into 5th. This season he's blown it. A decent manager would have had us in the CL places last season, and at least top 6 this season. Moyes would have for a start, like him or loathe him.

So while we're sitting on the fence with Bobby, a quality team is underperforming and will ultimately break up.  Another season of this wanker puts us back for a decade.

We all want to believe it, but ultimately the teams that finish top 4 are almost always those who have the highest wages and have spent the most money on players. It's easy to feel like we have a chance at champion's league but the simple fact is, we don't. The league is designed so rich teams with big squads can clean up and the rest of us are left hoping for a day in the sun like villa with the FA cup final and us in 2009.

Yes, I would agree, except for the fact we came close last season with the team Bobby inherited from Moyes, and not so long ago Moyes actually achieved a top four finish. And our current manager's job interview clincher was telling the Chairman that he would get him CL football.

Obviously we all now know that it was the delusional lying to the deluded but, nevertheless, I think we can expect more from our current squad than a slide down the table playing shit football, which is what we've been offered this season.

That's 10 years ago, Hairy. The football landscape has changed since then, Arsenal were still at Highbury and not spending big, Man City had no billions, even the RS were poor by comparison to the money they spend now. We essentially still have proportionally as little money as we did back then and most in and around our position have got proportionally more. We got into the champions league places in 04/05 because the RS screwed up, last season we had a chance because United had a bad year and Arsenal looked a bit weaker. But the more expensive RS squad was in the position to capitalise, and we fell short. Still, look at what that's done for them this season. Ultimately Europe harms your league form unless you have a very big squad or a team that works like dogs such as Atletico Madrid.

Tonteau wrote:

hairberto cataract wrote:

Tonteau wrote:

hairberto cataract wrote:Problem with giving the useless wanker another season is that we are squandering one of the strongest squads we've had since the mid 80s on a clown without a clue. Even allowing for the shit he's bought, we've still got some exceptional players, young and not so young.

Last season even a complete idiot like Bobby was able to get us into 5th. This season he's blown it. A decent manager would have had us in the CL places last season, and at least top 6 this season. Moyes would have for a start, like him or loathe him.

So while we're sitting on the fence with Bobby, a quality team is underperforming and will ultimately break up.  Another season of this wanker puts us back for a decade.

We all want to believe it, but ultimately the teams that finish top 4 are almost always those who have the highest wages and have spent the most money on players. It's easy to feel like we have a chance at champion's league but the simple fact is, we don't. The league is designed so rich teams with big squads can clean up and the rest of us are left hoping for a day in the sun like villa with the FA cup final and us in 2009.

Yes, I would agree, except for the fact we came close last season with the team Bobby inherited from Moyes, and not so long ago Moyes actually achieved a top four finish. And our current manager's job interview clincher was telling the Chairman that he would get him CL football.

Obviously we all now know that it was the delusional lying to the deluded but, nevertheless, I think we can expect more from our current squad than a slide down the table playing shit football, which is what we've been offered this season.

That's 10 years ago, Hairy. The football landscape has changed since then, Arsenal were still at Highbury and not spending big, Man City had no billions, even the RS were poor by comparison to the money they spend now. We essentially still have proportionally as little money as we did back then and most in and around our position have got proportionally more. We got into the champions league places in 04/05 because the RS screwed up, last season we had a chance because United had a bad year and Arsenal looked a bit weaker. But the more expensive RS squad was in the position to capitalise, and we fell short. Still, look at what that's done for them this season. Ultimately Europe harms your league form unless you have a very big squad or a team that works like dogs such as Atletico Madrid.

the Europa League has been a good laugh (although not as good as it used to be) but we've seen the real impact its had on our premier league performance this season. Spuds had the same issue previously as did others who have flirted with relegation whilst playing in Europe.

Also our poor prem performance was compounded by a shit pre-season which led to a crap start - it was as if Bobby felt this management lark was easy after his first season here - he was beginning to believe his own bullshit.

So hopefully Bobby will have learned from this and we will have stonking hard pre-season where everyone gets match fit and raring to go and we will get off to a flier and not get caught.... and win the league... just thought I'd throw that in there as I reckon its up for grabs as other than Chelsea no-one else seems willing to go for it.

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Tonteau wrote:

hairberto cataract wrote:

Tonteau wrote:

hairberto cataract wrote:Problem with giving the useless wanker another season is that we are squandering one of the strongest squads we've had since the mid 80s on a clown without a clue. Even allowing for the shit he's bought, we've still got some exceptional players, young and not so young.

Last season even a complete idiot like Bobby was able to get us into 5th. This season he's blown it. A decent manager would have had us in the CL places last season, and at least top 6 this season. Moyes would have for a start, like him or loathe him.

So while we're sitting on the fence with Bobby, a quality team is underperforming and will ultimately break up.  Another season of this wanker puts us back for a decade.

We all want to believe it, but ultimately the teams that finish top 4 are almost always those who have the highest wages and have spent the most money on players. It's easy to feel like we have a chance at champion's league but the simple fact is, we don't. The league is designed so rich teams with big squads can clean up and the rest of us are left hoping for a day in the sun like villa with the FA cup final and us in 2009.

Yes, I would agree, except for the fact we came close last season with the team Bobby inherited from Moyes, and not so long ago Moyes actually achieved a top four finish. And our current manager's job interview clincher was telling the Chairman that he would get him CL football.

Obviously we all now know that it was the delusional lying to the deluded but, nevertheless, I think we can expect more from our current squad than a slide down the table playing shit football, which is what we've been offered this season.

That's 10 years ago, Hairy. The football landscape has changed since then, Arsenal were still at Highbury and not spending big, Man City had no billions, even the RS were poor by comparison to the money they spend now. We essentially still have proportionally as little money as we did back then and most in and around our position have got proportionally more. We got into the champions league places in 04/05 because the RS screwed up, last season we had a chance because United had a bad year and Arsenal looked a bit weaker. But the more expensive RS squad was in the position to capitalise, and we fell short. Still, look at what that's done for them this season. Ultimately Europe harms your league form unless you have a very big squad or a team that works like dogs such as Atletico Madrid.

the Europa League has been a good laugh (although not as good as it used to be) but we've seen the real impact its had on our premier league performance this season.  Spuds had the same issue previously as did others who have flirted with relegation whilst playing in Europe.

Also our poor prem performance was compounded by a shit pre-season which led to a crap start - it was as if Bobby felt this management lark was easy after his first season here - he was beginning to believe his own bullshit.

So hopefully Bobby will have learned from this and we will have stonking hard pre-season where everyone gets match fit and raring to go and we will get off to a flier and not get caught.... and win the league... just thought I'd throw that in there as I reckon its up for grabs as other than Chelsea no-one else seems willing to go for it.

I think the Europa is just a convenient excuse for our dismal season. We played shit before Europa games, we played shit after Europa games, it made no difference. Our players looked confused, the manager had one system and every English team had sussed it out by the end of last season, and there was clearly discontent in the ranks. In my opinion the reason we've done well in the latter part of this season is not because we've been booted out of the Europa, but because once we were in a relegation battle, which we clearly were a month or two ago, Bobby finally abandoned his system and we started playing hoofball and scrapping for our lives. Again, this is only my opinion, but I think either senior players or members of the coaching staff had a word in Bobby's ear, cos suddenly we stopped tippy tapping and stopped losing games.

I reckon the worst thing that could happen is now, when there's fuck all to play for and we're winning a few games, everyone forgets just how terrible we've been the vast majority of the season, and Bobby starts to think he was right after all. If that fucking clown repeats the bollocks of last summer, swanning off when he should be here grafting, and we have a shit pre-season, the cunt should be out the door before the kids are back at school.

In my opinion, like

Agreed that the Europa League is not the smoking gun here. Im more in agreement with Hairy that pre-season leading into those first 3 league games where we shipped 10 goals really set the tone for the season. Yes, the Europa league had some impact but big wins over Wolfsburg and Lille should have given us confidence rather then hindered us going back into the league. And don't forget in the last group fixture against Krasnador the reserves were played. Going by most seasons, we were down at least 3-4 extra League Cup/FA Cup games as well too with early exits in both those comps. I think what was going on in the training pitch, tactics and crucial injuries did us no end of problems. We now have a largely settled teams with rotation of players now only in front of the back 6 which is what it was like last season. Even Howard has steadied in recent weeks.

Bobby needs to have a real look at himself before the players come back in July and learn from his errors this season.

Bluejagz wrote:Agreed that the Europa League is not the smoking gun here. Im more in agreement with Hairy that pre-season leading into those first 3 league games where we shipped 10 goals really set the tone for the season. Yes, the Europa league had some impact but big wins over Wolfsburg and Lille should have given us confidence rather then hindered us going back into the league. And don't forget in the last group fixture against Krasnador the reserves were played. Going by most seasons, we were down at least 3-4 extra League Cup/FA Cup games as well too with early exits in both those comps. I think what was going on in the training pitch, tactics and crucial injuries did us no end of problems. We now have a largely settled teams with rotation of players now only in front of the back 6 which is what it was like last season. Even Howard has steadied in recent weeks.

Bobby needs to have a real look at himself before the players come back in July and learn from his errors this season.

This.

And I think our fitness was off compared to the Moyes years. And our set-ball coaching was non-existent. And I didn't like his tie. And err, um, Doris was clearly given the wrong tea bags.

Have I mentioned that we should sack Martinez?

Yankthattoffee wrote:

sefton wrote:The fact that" Martinez" only has the Premiership programme next season ,leaves us No distraction or room for error , anything less than a good cup run and at least 6th place ,otherwise it's time to say goodbye.

only 6th?
You going easy on him?

Do you really believe Martinez will get the money ,to bring in the kind of players to challenge the top-four?
We need three players minimum , central defender - attacking midfielder general -decent striker ,maybe then we can set are heights higher.