Everton v Southampton

4 minutes of extras

ALL OVER
FUCKING SHITE

We're gone. Even if we fluke a win at West Ham, it won't change the fact that we are clearly the worst team in the division.

First time we've lost 4 in a row in the league at GP since 1958. And three of those defeats were against fellow strugglers. That's the run that will send us down.

who the fuck do we try entice into this mess to manage us, we need a bastard now , not a nice guy.

total overhaul again, but we also need money & players in to improve us
2 weeks into the window and we STILL ain't bought anyone, WTF is going on ?

are they keeping any money for a new manager ?

are they selling the club ?

are we totally skint ?

well fucked off with this club at the moment, 55 yrs of supporting them, to see this shite we turn out nowadays

Made 4 Gwladys wrote:

i would welcome him atm

I should have kept my hiatus going but the fuckers sucked me back in again.

I'm struggling to see a way out this time, but 19 games is a long time so got to try and stay positive.

There's nothing you can do if a player doesn't have the ability, but when the effort isn't there as well..... unforgivable.

even a 3 nil loss for the redshite doesn't make me feel better

Made 4 Gwladys wrote:

Goodison_Gringo wrote:I should have kept my hiatus going but the fuckers sucked me back in again.

I'm struggling to see a way out this time, but 19 games is a long time so got to try and stay positive.

There's nothing you can do if a player doesn't have the ability, but when the effort isn't there as well..... unforgivable.

we are in addition... tactically inept

Funny to think that we seemed to steer clear of the likes of Howe and Potter everytime we made a new appoinment iver the last few years. They're way out of our league now.

Goodison_Gringo wrote:

Made 4 Gwladys wrote:

Goodison_Gringo wrote:I should have kept my hiatus going but the fuckers sucked me back in again.

I'm struggling to see a way out this time, but 19 games is a long time so got to try and stay positive.

There's nothing you can do if a player doesn't have the ability, but when the effort isn't there as well..... unforgivable.

we are in addition... tactically inept

Funny to think that we seemed to steer clear of the likes of Howe and Potter everytime we made a new appoinment iver the last few years. They're way out of our league now.

True.

I don't know where we go from here. We weren't completely awful today but didn't deserve to win either. And if we can't beat Southampton, where are our next points coming from? I'm not sure changing the manager is going to work (it hasn't so far) but we're going to have to roll that dice soon unless there is a drastic improvement in results. If we don't get anything from the West Ham game, that is surely the moment. I can't believe that the thought of appointing Sean Dyche is appealing to me, but he'd be my choice.

Oh, and yes, the board can fuck off. Mosh hasn't a clue what he is doing, Kenwright has brought no success in 25 years, and the rest of them... well, who the fuck are they? Who is the football brain building a future for us? We're so far behind the big clubs - we need a completely new strategy and philosophy. Who are we? What is our identity? We're not a big club any more and probably never will be again.

Can we pinch Brighton's board?

Clueless from top to bottom. This lot wouldnt do anything in the championship. Won a fortune today, did the Southampton and Brighton double.

Well that was fun.

I can’t imagine how we might stay up now, even if we are only half way through the season. We were so poor today, timid, switched-off, chaotic and toothless. Onana was the best of a very bad bunch.

Ward Prowse was a diamond among the manure on show today. We have nobody close to him in terms of talent and application.

The fact that we’ve lost at home to both Wolves and Southampton shows why we’re going down. And, in a way, I think I’d prefer watching us in the championship than watching us be so alarmingly terrible in the PL. We might find our level there, although it’s possible that won’t happen until we drop to League One.

That was just dreadful.

hairy cataract wrote:Well that was fun.

I can’t imagine how we might stay up now, even if we are only half way through the season. We were so poor today, timid, switched-off, chaotic and toothless.  Onana was the best of a very bad bunch.

Ward Prowse was a diamond among the manure on show today. We have nobody close to him in terms of talent and application.

The fact that we’ve lost at home to both Wolves and Southampton shows why we’re going down.  And, in a way, I think I’d prefer watching us in the championship than watching us be so alarmingly terrible in the PL.  We might find our level there, although it’s possible that won’t happen until we drop to League One.

That was just dreadful.

I am 100% resigned to it. Yeah there are 19 games left and they might somehow pull off another great escape but my assumption is now that we're gone. As I said above, even a win and a good performance at West Ham won't change that opinion.

My lad is the same. I've just dropped him off at the pub and on the way, we were discussing the benefits of Championship football - more games, more wins, in theory at least, possibly more chance of us casuals getting tickets for games at GP, certainly more local clubs for away days - we could have Luton, Watford, Coventry, Birmingham, Reading and QPR if none of them go up or down. Derby or Wycombe might go up. (Lol, Everton v Wycombe in the league. Who'd have thought it?)

The obvious risk is that it will be a financial catastrophe that sees us down in the dregs for years and years, like Sunderland and Sheff Wed. To which I would posit, so what? We've discussed this over and over - we're simply makeweights in the PL anyway. Why is that status quo so appealing?

I'll tell you why - it's partly the embarrassment factor of a "big club" like ours going down, when we still haven't fully come to terms with the fact that our "big club" status is essentially notional and historical at this point; and partly the trauma of our proud history of only spending 4 seasons outside the top flight since Queen Victoria's day being damaged. Both of those things are regrettable, but actually they're nothing when offset against the tedium and misery of what we're having to deal with right now, week-by-week and season-by-season - ceaseless struggle with zero light at the end of the tunnel due to the absence of a plan or a competent board.

That proud history means that the thought of relegation is more horrific to us than it would be even for the likes of Villa and Newcastle - big clubs who've been relegated recently. And when it happens, the grief cycle for us will be dramatic. In fact, I think we're already in the grief cycle (I am anyway) - denial, anger, bargaining, then depression. The denial bit is in my rear-view mirror, and while the anger hasn't fully dissipated yet, I am, as you can tell from this post, at the start of the bargaining stage. I have depression still to come (probably when it's mathematically confirmed, when that day we've all dreaded for years finally arrives) and then I will get to the final stage of the cycle - acceptance.

Once again my heart goes out to the regular match-goers who are paying their hard-earned money to watch us get rogered by fellow PL litter-carriers at GP every other week. I'm not sure whether to feel sorry for you or question your sanity. Probably a bit of both, mixed in with genuine admiration for your stoicism and your pain tolerance levels. If you're like my brother - trapped into keeping your season tickets that ordinarily you would give up, simply to ensure you get one at Bramley Moore - then I truly hope it's worth it in the end.

And it gets worse - looks like some fans have hung around after the game to have a pop at players as they leave the ground. Seen a couple of videos on Twitter - Mina out of his car trying to understand what angry fans are on about while they speak to him in 100mph broad Scouse; Gordon getting a load of verbal abuse; apparently even Ellis Simms (???) had his car surrounded.

I don't understand. How is any of that going to help?

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

hairy cataract wrote:Well that was fun.

I can’t imagine how we might stay up now, even if we are only half way through the season. We were so poor today, timid, switched-off, chaotic and toothless.  Onana was the best of a very bad bunch.

Ward Prowse was a diamond among the manure on show today. We have nobody close to him in terms of talent and application.

The fact that we’ve lost at home to both Wolves and Southampton shows why we’re going down.  And, in a way, I think I’d prefer watching us in the championship than watching us be so alarmingly terrible in the PL.  We might find our level there, although it’s possible that won’t happen until we drop to League One.

That was just dreadful.

I am 100% resigned to it. Yeah there are 19 games left and they might somehow pull off another great escape but my assumption is now that we're gone. As I said above, even a win and a good performance at West Ham won't change that opinion.

My lad is the same. I've just dropped him off at the pub and on the way, we were discussing the benefits of Championship football - more games, more wins, in theory at least, possibly more chance of us casuals getting tickets for games at GP, certainly more local clubs for away days - we could have Luton, Watford, Coventry, Birmingham, Reading and QPR if none of them go up or down. Derby or Wycombe might go up. (Lol, Everton v Wycombe in the league. Who'd have thought it?)

The obvious risk is that it will be a financial catastrophe that sees us down in the dregs for years and years, like Sunderland and Sheff Wed. To which I would posit, so what? We've discussed this over and over - we're simply makeweights in the PL anyway. Why is that status quo so appealing?

I'll tell you why - it's partly the embarrassment factor of a "big club" like ours going down, when we still haven't fully come to terms with the fact that our "big club" status is essentially notional and historical at this point; and partly the trauma of our proud history of only spending 4 seasons outside the top flight since Queen Victoria's day being damaged. Both of those things are regrettable, but actually they're nothing when offset against the tedium and misery of what we're having to deal with right now, week-by-week and season-by-season - ceaseless struggle with zero light at the end of the tunnel due to the absence of a plan or a competent board.

That proud history means that the thought of relegation is more horrific to us than it would be even for the likes of Villa and Newcastle - big clubs who've been relegated recently. And when it happens, the grief cycle for us will be dramatic. In fact, I think we're already in the grief cycle (I am anyway) - denial, anger, bargaining, then depression. The denial bit is in my rear-view mirror, and while the anger hasn't fully dissipated yet, I am, as you can tell from this post, at the start of the bargaining stage. I have depression still to come (probably when it's mathematically confirmed, when that day we've all dreaded for years finally arrives) and then I will get to the final stage of the cycle - acceptance.

Once again my heart goes out to the regular match-goers who are paying their hard-earned money to watch us get rogered by fellow PL litter-carriers at GP every other week. I'm not sure whether to feel sorry for you or question your sanity. Probably a bit of both, mixed in with genuine admiration for your stoicism and your pain tolerance levels. If you're like my brother - trapped into keeping your season tickets that ordinarily you would give up, simply to ensure you get one at Bramley Moore - then I truly hope it's worth it in the end.

Yes.  That's all I can say to the above.  I agree with it all.

Well, maybe not the match-going business.  It's awful, but I still take pleasure in it, in the ritual I guess.

But... in reference to your other post...  Who in their right minds would want to play for us, for these fans?  I know it's only a minority, but we're happy to be collectively proud when a few diehards turn up to cheer the team off at Finch Farm, or travel around the country game after game, so maybe we have to accept collective responsibility for the utter cunts who hurled abuse at players leaving the ground, or at our hapless board members.  Fucking morons.  Our players may be a bit shit, but they're just doing a job to the best of their (limited) abilities.

If I was Gordon I would ask for a transfer right now.  And if I was a player who had a choice of either coming to Everton or some other PL club, I would instruct my agent not to return any calls from Goodison.

At the end of the game, amid all the booing, were loud choruses of "you're not fit to wear the shirt".  How does that help? The players look terrified and completely lacking in confidence as it is.  I bet they're glad they're playing away next week.

One other comment; we're now shipping goals. 7 in two games v Bournemouth, 4 against Brighton, 2 against Southampton, Wolves and Leicester. Can't score, can't defend.