Everton v Southampton

Here we are then, approaching the latest circle of Dante's Everton Inferno.

History offers us a crumb of comfort and some encouragement here - our home record against this lot is very good. The last time they beat us in the league at Goodison was in November 1997 - since then we've won 12 and drawn 5.

Like, we stayed up on goal difference in that 1997/98 season, which is uncomfortably close to this season's bone. And historical records don't make Dwight McNeil run faster or make Maupay any less anonymous on the pitch.

To offer a mathematical perspective - and stop me if I'm getting too xG complicated here - I think the winner of this game will be the team that scores more goals (and ergo, concedes fewer goals) than the other team.

This is the mother of all "must-win" games. So with all that said, I predict an underpants-destroying 2-1 win. DCL with both our goals, Ted McDougall for them.

COYB. Pretty sure this song has nothing to do with Everton but the lyrics become more prescient with every passing, miserable season.

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:Here we are then, approaching the latest circle of Dante's Everton Inferno.

History offers us a crumb of comfort and some encouragement here - our home record against this lot is very good. The last time they beat us in the league at Goodison was in November 1997 - since then we've won 12 and drawn 5.

Like, we stayed up on goal difference in that 1997/98 season, which is uncomfortably close to this season's bone. And historical records don't make Dwight McNeil run faster or make Maupay any less anonymous on the pitch.

To offer a mathematical perspective - and stop me if I'm getting too xG complicated here - I think the winner of this game will be the team that scores more goals (and ergo, concedes fewer goals) than the other team.

This is the mother of all "must-win" games. So with all that said, I predict an underpants-destroying 2-1 win. DCL with both our goals, Ted McDougall for them.

COYB. Pretty sure this song has nothing to do with Everton but the lyrics become more prescient with every passing, miserable season.

You're just goading me into giving you all my Pete Wylie stories aren't you?

hairy cataract wrote:

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:Here we are then, approaching the latest circle of Dante's Everton Inferno.

History offers us a crumb of comfort and some encouragement here - our home record against this lot is very good. The last time they beat us in the league at Goodison was in November 1997 - since then we've won 12 and drawn 5.

Like, we stayed up on goal difference in that 1997/98 season, which is uncomfortably close to this season's bone. And historical records don't make Dwight McNeil run faster or make Maupay any less anonymous on the pitch.

To offer a mathematical perspective - and stop me if I'm getting too xG complicated here - I think the winner of this game will be the team that scores more goals (and ergo, concedes fewer goals) than the other team.

This is the mother of all "must-win" games. So with all that said, I predict an underpants-destroying 2-1 win. DCL with both our goals, Ted McDougall for them.

COYB. Pretty sure this song has nothing to do with Everton but the lyrics become more prescient with every passing, miserable season.

You're just goading me into giving you all my Pete Wylie stories aren't you?  

 Yeah fire away!

I really like that song actually. Wasn't really a fan of it when it came out, it was a bit too overwrought and overdramatic for my tastes at that time. I now see it as a bit of a timeless, underrated classic.

Can you confirm that it's not about Everton? No idea if Wylie was into football, but I do know we were pretty bad when it came out (may well have been the season Liverpool dicked us 5-0 at Goodison.) So because of the title, I think about Everton (and more often than not, how shit we are) every time I hear it.

the following concern me greatly.

1. we're shit
2. We've signed Foo Khal
3. Rotts started the match thread against Manure where we were royally arse-fucked... I expect serious consequences to be levied by Da Judge for breaking the long standing rule of not starting a thread after you've been responsible for the previous humiliation.

soo... it's all Rotts fault

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

hairy cataract wrote:

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:Here we are then, approaching the latest circle of Dante's Everton Inferno.

History offers us a crumb of comfort and some encouragement here - our home record against this lot is very good. The last time they beat us in the league at Goodison was in November 1997 - since then we've won 12 and drawn 5.

Like, we stayed up on goal difference in that 1997/98 season, which is uncomfortably close to this season's bone. And historical records don't make Dwight McNeil run faster or make Maupay any less anonymous on the pitch.

To offer a mathematical perspective - and stop me if I'm getting too xG complicated here - I think the winner of this game will be the team that scores more goals (and ergo, concedes fewer goals) than the other team.

This is the mother of all "must-win" games. So with all that said, I predict an underpants-destroying 2-1 win. DCL with both our goals, Ted McDougall for them.

COYB. Pretty sure this song has nothing to do with Everton but the lyrics become more prescient with every passing, miserable season.

You're just goading me into giving you all my Pete Wylie stories aren't you?  

 Yeah fire away!

I really like that song actually. Wasn't really a fan of it when it came out, it was a bit too overwrought and overdramatic for my tastes at that time. I now see it as a bit of a timeless, underrated classic.

Can you confirm that it's not about Everton? No idea if Wylie was into football, but I do know we were pretty bad when it came out (may well have been the season Liverpool dicked us 5-0 at Goodison.) So because of the title, I think about Everton (and more often than not, how shit we are) every time I hear it.

Sorry mate, he's a massive Red Shite. They play his song "Heart As Big As Liverpool" at Analfield before every match, and he even played at Istanbul for the kopite fuckbags. A mate of mine saw him the other week doing an acoustic show and Wylie said he didn't understand why Everton didn't play Story of the Blues at the match. To be fair, although he's a RS, he's so into the whole Scouse Nation thing that he would happily come to Goodison and play it I reckon. Of course, our 1995 squad did a version of "Altogether Now" by the Farm, and Wylie sang backing vocals on the original, so he's already got a Toffees connection.

I'm so terrified by this game I'm intentionally going to miss it by going to a car show.

Cue we play better than ever and trash them?

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

hairy cataract wrote:

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:Here we are then, approaching the latest circle of Dante's Everton Inferno.

History offers us a crumb of comfort and some encouragement here - our home record against this lot is very good. The last time they beat us in the league at Goodison was in November 1997 - since then we've won 12 and drawn 5.

Like, we stayed up on goal difference in that 1997/98 season, which is uncomfortably close to this season's bone. And historical records don't make Dwight McNeil run faster or make Maupay any less anonymous on the pitch.

To offer a mathematical perspective - and stop me if I'm getting too xG complicated here - I think the winner of this game will be the team that scores more goals (and ergo, concedes fewer goals) than the other team.

This is the mother of all "must-win" games. So with all that said, I predict an underpants-destroying 2-1 win. DCL with both our goals, Ted McDougall for them.

COYB. Pretty sure this song has nothing to do with Everton but the lyrics become more prescient with every passing, miserable season.

You're just goading me into giving you all my Pete Wylie stories aren't you?  

 Yeah fire away!

I really like that song actually. Wasn't really a fan of it when it came out, it was a bit too overwrought and overdramatic for my tastes at that time. I now see it as a bit of a timeless, underrated classic.

Can you confirm that it's not about Everton? No idea if Wylie was into football, but I do know we were pretty bad when it came out (may well have been the season Liverpool dicked us 5-0 at Goodison.) So because of the title, I think about Everton (and more often than not, how shit we are) every time I hear it.

One of my favourite tracks ever. Couple of months ago - I was with some Uni mates having a chat (whilst walking Offa's Dyke) and we each had to nominate the song that epitomised the 80s. This was my choice and after discussion it was selected as the most evocative of the ones suggested. Even though he is RS... like Rotts this does make me think its about us..

hairy cataract wrote:

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

hairy cataract wrote:

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:Here we are then, approaching the latest circle of Dante's Everton Inferno.

History offers us a crumb of comfort and some encouragement here - our home record against this lot is very good. The last time they beat us in the league at Goodison was in November 1997 - since then we've won 12 and drawn 5.

Like, we stayed up on goal difference in that 1997/98 season, which is uncomfortably close to this season's bone. And historical records don't make Dwight McNeil run faster or make Maupay any less anonymous on the pitch.

To offer a mathematical perspective - and stop me if I'm getting too xG complicated here - I think the winner of this game will be the team that scores more goals (and ergo, concedes fewer goals) than the other team.

This is the mother of all "must-win" games. So with all that said, I predict an underpants-destroying 2-1 win. DCL with both our goals, Ted McDougall for them.

COYB. Pretty sure this song has nothing to do with Everton but the lyrics become more prescient with every passing, miserable season.

You're just goading me into giving you all my Pete Wylie stories aren't you?  

 Yeah fire away!

I really like that song actually. Wasn't really a fan of it when it came out, it was a bit too overwrought and overdramatic for my tastes at that time. I now see it as a bit of a timeless, underrated classic.

Can you confirm that it's not about Everton? No idea if Wylie was into football, but I do know we were pretty bad when it came out (may well have been the season Liverpool dicked us 5-0 at Goodison.) So because of the title, I think about Everton (and more often than not, how shit we are) every time I hear it.

Sorry mate, he's a massive Red Shite.  They play his song "Heart As Big As Liverpool" at Analfield before every match, and he even played at Istanbul for the kopite fuckbags. A mate of mine saw him the other week doing an acoustic show and Wylie said he didn't understand why Everton didn't play Story of the Blues at the match.  To be fair, although he's a RS, he's so into the whole Scouse Nation thing that he would happily come to Goodison and play it I reckon.   Of course, our 1995 squad did a version of  "Altogether Now" by the Farm, and Wylie sang backing vocals on the original, so he's already got a Toffees connection.

Ah, is he one of those "Scouse, not English" lads? Lol.

The Farm, of course, are also massive Red Shites. And I hated them, and hated that song, and hated the fact that we used it as our cup song. Groovy Train was passable, fun enough when you're pissed and it comes on the jukebox and I was quite into all that indie/dance crossover stuff at the time. But everything else they did was tosh IMO.

I have no idea whether their Redshiteness informs that opinion in any way. I don't think it does! They were just shite.

And the reason why we don't play his song before our games isn't because he's a redshite - it's because, great song though it is, it's fucking maudlin. There's an element of trying to fight back from adversity in the lyrics, which is all well and good, but that's way too close to home.

Marketing wise, it would be a bit like a Heineken slogan that says "great lager, great taste, but by fuck you'll know about it in the morning." Too real and honest. United don't run out to "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now" for a reason. We don't want to get the fans into a state of despair before the game has even started. That's Dwight McNeil's job.

Thinking on, "Dead Souls" by Joy Division would, lyrically speaking, be United's equivalent to our "Story of the Blues." More depressing than Wylie's epic, but then Manchester is more of a shit hole. But too real for them, given their recent history.

"Where figures from the past stand tall
And mocking voices ring the halls"

Like, this is a top 5 JD song for me. But I wouldn't recommend it for parties and weddings...

Da Judge wrote:

One of my favourite tracks ever. Couple of months ago - I was with some Uni mates having a chat (whilst walking Offa's Dyke) and we each had to nominate the song that epitomised the 80s. This was my choice and after discussion it was selected as the most evocative of the ones suggested. Even though he is RS... like Rotts this does make me think its about us..

Sorry, this is a Southampton v Everton thread but I'll keep this music tangent going a little longer - as you probably know, I'm a bit of a music buff. And I am very proud of Liverpool's music history despite (unlike Hairy) having made precisely zero contribution to it. I've never even paid to get into Eric's.

I also have huge respect for Manchester's music output. And I'm often struck by the differences between the output of the two. Similar cities in many ways, very different histories but similar problems, similar climate and geography etc, and just down the road from each other. I think the difference in style and in atmosphere, of the music that has come out of each city, is markedly and remarkably different.

I'll generalise a bit here but Manchester has largely been a combination of bedsit despair (Joy Division, The Smiths) and in-your-face arrogance, possibly born out of an inferiority complex (Oasis, Stone Roses etc.) With music from Liverpool I think optimism, and melody, is at the heart of so much of it. So even Story of the Blues is a downer of a song trying to be positive. Generalising hugely here, there is something of a hippy-ish vibe to Liverpool music which I rarely, if ever, hear from Manchester.

Dunno why but I just find that contrast fascinating, and I can't explain it. And I say that as a devotee of a large number of Manc bands.

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

Da Judge wrote:

One of my favourite tracks ever. Couple of months ago - I was with some Uni mates having a chat (whilst walking Offa's Dyke) and we each had to nominate the song that epitomised the 80s. This was my choice and after discussion it was selected as the most evocative of the ones suggested. Even though he is RS... like Rotts this does make me think its about us..

Sorry, this is a Southampton v Everton thread but I'll keep this music tangent going a little longer - as you probably know, I'm a bit of a music buff. And I am very proud of Liverpool's music history despite (unlike Hairy) having made precisely zero contribution to it. I've never even paid to get into Eric's.

I also have huge respect for Manchester's music output. And I'm often struck by the differences between the output of the two. Similar cities in many ways, very different histories but similar problems, similar climate and geography etc, and just down the road from each other. I think the difference in style and in atmosphere, of the music that has come out of each city, is markedly and remarkably different.

I'll generalise a bit here but Manchester has largely been a combination of bedsit despair (Joy Division, The Smiths) and in-your-face arrogance, possibly born out of an inferiority complex (Oasis, Stone Roses etc.) With music from Liverpool I think optimism, and melody, is at the heart of so much of it. So even Story of the Blues is a downer of a song trying to be positive. Generalising hugely here, there is something of a hippy-ish vibe to Liverpool music which I rarely, if ever, hear from Manchester.

Dunno why but I just find that contrast fascinating, and I can't explain it. And I say that as a devotee of a large number of Manc bands.

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Yes I wouldn’t disagree with that. I also think Manchester is not as isolated, independent and inward looking as Liverpool (hence the Scouse Nation vibe), so was more influenced by London than us. And scousers have a superiority complex rather than inferiority complex which comes through in not just the music but all the culture coming out of Liverpool

Looks like Bill is going to miss the game

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64275576

Armchair wrote:Looks like Bill is going to miss the game

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64275576

that is inexcusably bad... a poor reflection on our support IMO

Made 4 Gwladys wrote:

Armchair wrote:Looks like Bill is going to miss the game

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64275576

that is inexcusably bad... a poor reflection on our support IMO

100% agree.

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

Made 4 Gwladys wrote:

Armchair wrote:Looks like Bill is going to miss the game

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64275576

that is inexcusably bad... a poor reflection on our support IMO

100% agree.

A minority of knuckleheads

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2859663427499947/?s=single_unit

Iwobi starts !

do you have a link today Armchair?.. all my regulars seem to have gone south since Christmas

Made 4 Gwladys wrote:do you have a link today Armchair?.. all my regulars seem to have gone south since Christmas

I haven't looked yet... might try avoiding the match tbh. I sometimes find a link on the NSNO forums around kick off time (they also have similar matchday thread)

Armchair wrote:

Made 4 Gwladys wrote:do you have a link today Armchair?.. all my regulars seem to have gone south since Christmas

I haven't looked yet... might try avoiding the match tbh. I sometimes find a link on the NSNO forums around kick off time (they also have similar matchday thread)

https://cdn.sportcast.life/embed77/?event=stack.html&link=1&domain=&force=https%3A%2F%2Fweakstream.org%2Fstreams%2F10385422&ask=1673708400&lgt=3

Happy with the line-up, happy that he's stuck with three at the back, happy that Iwobi is fit.

Here we go then.

massive... and we're off

COYB

Godfrey injured alrwady ... fucking hell

Made 4 Gwladys wrote:Godfrey injured alrwady ... fucking hell

up & looks ok

Made 4 Gwladys wrote:Godfrey injured alrwady ... fucking hell

I'm already planning ahead for when his replacement Mina hobbles off (Holgate is on the bench.)