Everton v Crystal Palace

hairy cataract wrote:

Tonteau wrote:They’ve been shocking most of the season, and amazing when it counted, but at the same time I couldn’t love this bunch more. I really hope Richarlison stays, he’s brilliant.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Everton/status/1527708327312035842

Superb!  Watch more of this stuff on the OS

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2626168/behind-the-scenes-of-historic-night-at-goodison

Cracking video there…

More fun from the OS:

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2625831/from-all-angles-calvert-lewin-completes-comeback

Some incredible reactions - Richie sliding on his face, Gray just dropping to his knees then flat out, Iwobi going nuts, Mina in the midst of it all, everyone really. But keep an eye out for Seamus, standing on the half way line as usual for a set piece. Totally keeping his cool, no running around like the rest.

hairy cataract wrote:More fun from the OS:

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2625831/from-all-angles-calvert-lewin-completes-comeback

Some incredible reactions - Richie sliding on his face, Gray just dropping to his knees then flat out, Iwobi going nuts, Mina in the midst of it all, everyone really.  But keep an eye out for Seamus, standing on the half way line as usual for a set piece.  Totally keeping his cool, no running around like the rest.  

Right at the end of the video, I was immensely touched by two things.

He called Seamus up as Club Captain and says “Sotto voice” one the best guys he knows….. then at the end with Seamus’s kids he calls to them and tells them “dad is nicest guy I have ever met”… Once is strange, to say it twice to the audiences he did is fucking remarkable.

I have had a great evening out with my missus tonight… and I might have had all manner of booze (Sacko, Made for Gladys, Yank and Thor can contextualise if needed) - but fuck it I will call it now…. I think Frank might actually turn out to be the Anti-Klopp.


Now imagine some black T-shirts (salmon sash) - with Frank’s image and the slogan branded “The Anti-Klopp” upon it… Anyone who wants to use it … fuck it I am in a generous mood you can use it… (as long as you say Da Judge says Frank is….”

hairy cataract wrote:More fun from the OS:

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2625831/from-all-angles-calvert-lewin-completes-comeback

Some incredible reactions - Richie sliding on his face, Gray just dropping to his knees then flat out, Iwobi going nuts, Mina in the midst of it all, everyone really.  But keep an eye out for Seamus, standing on the half way line as usual for a set piece.  Totally keeping his cool, no running around like the rest.  

Even Tosun celebrates on the bench

hairy cataract wrote:

Tonteau wrote:They’ve been shocking most of the season, and amazing when it counted, but at the same time I couldn’t love this bunch more. I really hope Richarlison stays, he’s brilliant.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Everton/status/1527708327312035842

Superb!  Watch more of this stuff on the OS

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2626168/behind-the-scenes-of-historic-night-at-goodison

thanks for sharing .. almost crying watching the dressing room... they have to stay... Frank football will change everything & with 2 or 3 quality additions we can be a very good side

COYB

Made 4 Gwladys wrote:

hairy cataract wrote:

Tonteau wrote:They’ve been shocking most of the season, and amazing when it counted, but at the same time I couldn’t love this bunch more. I really hope Richarlison stays, he’s brilliant.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Everton/status/1527708327312035842

Superb!  Watch more of this stuff on the OS

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2626168/behind-the-scenes-of-historic-night-at-goodison

thanks for sharing .. almost crying watching the dressing room... they have to stay... Frank football will change everything & with 2 or 3 quality additions we can be a very good side

COYB

Looking at the contract expiry dates, the obvious savings are going to be on Siggy and Tosun. Delph's is up too, but maybe a pay-as-you-play deal? Those 3 gone and you've unloaded £16M+ in salaries. Several coming into their final year, so I can see FL unloading a few. Another interesting summer. As usual the big 6 will get first choice and we'll get a shot at the rest. Maybe some of the players being unloaded by those big 6 are worth nobbling.
Then there's the Arsenal game. FL hinted at him playing some who have had little playing time. Dele, Lil' Tom, Dobbin, Godfrey, Onyango, Branthwaite again?
I hope we go at Arsenal rather than capitulate after the adrenaline rush.

I'm still buzzing off this game. Mad. I've watched every video I can find, read every report (although the media seem to have gone into shock-horror mode now, going really over the top about the pitch invasion).

I was messaging a fellow blue who was talking about how he floated into work the next day, laughing to himself like a loon. He, like many, said "imagine what it would be like if we won something?". Anyway, I thought about it, and I reckon that survival provokes a stronger reaction than glory. That felt existential on Thursday. Maybe a trophy is just a trinket in the end? Maybe life is just about survival?

Having said that, I'd fucking love to do what Rangers did this season - reach the Europa final. And then win it of course. But that has to be the pinnacle now for any club outside the obvious ones? I couldn't give a fuck about finishing top four once in a hundred years, but winning a cup would be nice before I die. Not that I;m planning on dying for another 40 years like.

I'll shut up now, I'm rambling...

The media and supporters of other clubs forget that we were 18th, five points behind Burnley at the end of April. I think a lot of us thought we were dead and buried. Three weeks later, we're 2-0 down at half time in a must win game... 45 minutes later we have turned it around and secured our position in the PL for next season, so of course there will be an outpouring of emotion and even (heaven forbid!) people on the pitch celebrating. The cocks who went on after the third goal should be banned but - after the final whistle - I've got no problem with (aside from taunting Vieria).

hairy cataract wrote:I'm still buzzing off this game.  Mad.  I've watched every video I can find, read every report (although the media seem to have gone into shock-horror mode now, going really over the top about the pitch invasion).

I was messaging a fellow blue who was talking about how he floated into work the next day, laughing to himself like a loon.  He, like many, said "imagine what it would be like if we won something?".  Anyway, I thought about it, and I reckon that survival provokes a stronger reaction than glory. That felt existential on Thursday.  Maybe a trophy is just a trinket in the end?  Maybe life is just about survival?  

Having said that, I'd fucking love to do what Rangers did this season - reach the Europa final.  And then win it of course.  But that has to be the pinnacle now for any club outside the obvious ones?  I couldn't give a fuck about finishing top four once in a hundred years, but winning a cup would be nice before I die.  Not that I;m planning on dying for another 40 years like.

I'll shut up now, I'm rambling...

Ah, the philosophy bar is open again. Excellent.

I can't remember the context or the conversation but I got into trouble with the missus during a recent family meal for merely saying "we are born, we struggle, and we die." The conversation may well have been Everton-related actually.

Anyway I reckon you're right. And it warms my heart to think that the Shite won't experience the same feeling this season even if they win everything. Saw several tweets from neutrals yesterday suggesting that no Shite trophy celebration will come close to matching what happened at Goodison on Thursday. They didn't like that one bit.

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

hairy cataract wrote:I'm still buzzing off this game.  Mad.  I've watched every video I can find, read every report (although the media seem to have gone into shock-horror mode now, going really over the top about the pitch invasion).

I was messaging a fellow blue who was talking about how he floated into work the next day, laughing to himself like a loon.  He, like many, said "imagine what it would be like if we won something?".  Anyway, I thought about it, and I reckon that survival provokes a stronger reaction than glory. That felt existential on Thursday.  Maybe a trophy is just a trinket in the end?  Maybe life is just about survival?  

Having said that, I'd fucking love to do what Rangers did this season - reach the Europa final.  And then win it of course.  But that has to be the pinnacle now for any club outside the obvious ones?  I couldn't give a fuck about finishing top four once in a hundred years, but winning a cup would be nice before I die.  Not that I;m planning on dying for another 40 years like.

I'll shut up now, I'm rambling...

Ah, the philosophy bar is open again. Excellent.

I can't remember the context or the conversation but I got into trouble with the missus during a recent family meal for merely saying "we are born, we struggle, and we die." The conversation may well have been Everton-related actually.

Anyway I reckon you're right. And it warms my heart to think that the Shite won't experience the same feeling this season even if they win everything. Saw several tweets from neutrals yesterday suggesting that no Shite trophy celebration will come close to matching what happened at Goodison on Thursday. They didn't like that one bit.

So I just watched the end of the League 1 play off, and winning that is probably better than any trophy, apart from the Championship play-off. Not only do you win a final, but your reward is moving up a level next season - imagine that. Especially if you've been trying to get out of League 1 for ages, like Sunderland have. Whereas if you win, say, the PL, there's no real reward apart from the trophy. You just start next season from scratch like everyone else.

On that basis, it's a fucking shame we didn't go down, cos then we could have had the joy of getting promoted. But escaping relegation is probably a decent second-best to winning the Championship play-off, cos we might have dropped a level, so it's as good as a promotion only without the trip to Wembley.

Fucking Red Shite, I feel sorry for them with their meaningless trophies this season....

Watch out for Andros hobbling down the touchline to celebrate the goal (12 mins in)

"It's a wider problem and it is behaviour. It's a reflection of where we are as a country at the moment.

"It's a difficult time for people. We are going to have more difficult times because of the economy and the situation we are in, but we have to look at what we are doing in terms of parenting and how we want to be viewed as a country."

So says Gareth Southgate about pitch invasions.

Yeah, that's exactly why we all poured onto the pitch after Thursday night's game, Gareth. It was the economy. And as I watched the lids dancing around, and Super Frank waving to the adoring crowd, I thought to myself "fuck, what are we doing in terms of parenting, and how do we want to be viewed as a country?"

Is there a bigger bellend in football? Obviously, Klopp - but he's quite smart as well. Southgate is just a bellend who thinks he's smart.

hairy cataract wrote:"It's a wider problem and it is behaviour. It's a reflection of where we are as a country at the moment.

"It's a difficult time for people. We are going to have more difficult times because of the economy and the situation we are in, but we have to look at what we are doing in terms of parenting and how we want to be viewed as a country."

So says Gareth Southgate about pitch invasions.  

Yeah, that's exactly why we all poured onto the pitch after Thursday night's game, Gareth.  It was the economy.  And as I watched the lids dancing around, and Super Frank waving to the adoring crowd, I thought to myself "fuck, what are we doing in terms of parenting, and how do we want to be viewed as a country?"

Is there a bigger bellend in football?  Obviously, Klopp - but he's quite smart as well.  Southgate is just a bellend who thinks he's smart.

I agree. Gareth, it's OK to have a simple, straightforward opinion on things - "I can understand the emotion of the fans, maybe this is a reaction to lockdown isolation, but that said, we need to deal with those who overstep the mark", that kind of thing. No need to try to sound like Bertrand Russell in a tracksuit every time you open your gob.

Like, just for the record, a couple of weeks ago there was a crush at Schalke's stadium when they invaded the pitch after they secured promotion, and a sexual assault at Nuremburg during their own pitch invasion a week later. Last September, Lens fans invaded the pitch and tried to attack the Lille players and fans. In March, Salah had to be escorted from the field as Senegal fans invaded the pitch after their World Cup game and threw bottles at him.

How's the Senegalese economy doing, just out of interest?

Parenting? For fuck's sake. Don't ever go to a gig Gareth, whatever you do. You won't like it.

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

hairy cataract wrote:"It's a wider problem and it is behaviour. It's a reflection of where we are as a country at the moment.

"It's a difficult time for people. We are going to have more difficult times because of the economy and the situation we are in, but we have to look at what we are doing in terms of parenting and how we want to be viewed as a country."

So says Gareth Southgate about pitch invasions.  

Yeah, that's exactly why we all poured onto the pitch after Thursday night's game, Gareth.  It was the economy.  And as I watched the lids dancing around, and Super Frank waving to the adoring crowd, I thought to myself "fuck, what are we doing in terms of parenting, and how do we want to be viewed as a country?"

Is there a bigger bellend in football?  Obviously, Klopp - but he's quite smart as well.  Southgate is just a bellend who thinks he's smart.

I agree. Gareth, it's OK to have a simple, straightforward opinion on things - "I can understand the emotion of the fans, maybe this is a reaction to lockdown isolation, but that said, we need to deal with those who overstep the mark", that kind of thing. No need to try to sound like Bertrand Russell in a tracksuit every time you open your gob.

Like, just for the record, a couple of weeks ago there was a crush at Schalke's stadium when they invaded the pitch after they secured promotion, and a sexual assault at Nuremburg during their own pitch invasion a week later. Last September, Lens fans invaded the pitch and tried to attack the Lille players and fans. In March, Salah had to be escorted from the field as Senegal fans invaded the pitch after their World Cup game and threw bottles at him.

How's the Senegalese economy doing, just out of interest?

Parenting? For fuck's sake. Don't ever go to a gig Gareth, whatever you do. You won't like it.

Didn't nigerian fans run on the pitch and kill a doctor at the afcon? We had one moron goad Vieira (didn't actually touch him from what I can see) and get a kicking, which was very deserved and quite funny. Give it a rest, gaz.

Tonteau wrote:

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

hairy cataract wrote:"It's a wider problem and it is behaviour. It's a reflection of where we are as a country at the moment.

"It's a difficult time for people. We are going to have more difficult times because of the economy and the situation we are in, but we have to look at what we are doing in terms of parenting and how we want to be viewed as a country."

So says Gareth Southgate about pitch invasions.  

Yeah, that's exactly why we all poured onto the pitch after Thursday night's game, Gareth.  It was the economy.  And as I watched the lids dancing around, and Super Frank waving to the adoring crowd, I thought to myself "fuck, what are we doing in terms of parenting, and how do we want to be viewed as a country?"

Is there a bigger bellend in football?  Obviously, Klopp - but he's quite smart as well.  Southgate is just a bellend who thinks he's smart.

I agree. Gareth, it's OK to have a simple, straightforward opinion on things - "I can understand the emotion of the fans, maybe this is a reaction to lockdown isolation, but that said, we need to deal with those who overstep the mark", that kind of thing. No need to try to sound like Bertrand Russell in a tracksuit every time you open your gob.

Like, just for the record, a couple of weeks ago there was a crush at Schalke's stadium when they invaded the pitch after they secured promotion, and a sexual assault at Nuremburg during their own pitch invasion a week later. Last September, Lens fans invaded the pitch and tried to attack the Lille players and fans. In March, Salah had to be escorted from the field as Senegal fans invaded the pitch after their World Cup game and threw bottles at him.

How's the Senegalese economy doing, just out of interest?

Parenting? For fuck's sake. Don't ever go to a gig Gareth, whatever you do. You won't like it.

Didn't nigerian fans run on the pitch and kill a doctor at the afcon? We had one moron goad Vieira (didn't actually touch him from what I can see) and get a kicking, which was very deserved and quite funny. Give it a rest, gaz.

It's really quite irritating, this. Hairy is right, he thinks he's smarter than he is. He got some deserved credit for saying some intelligent (albeit fairly obvious) stuff on Black Lives Matter etc, and maybe that kudos has gone to his head a bit.

He's no Ian Holloway, that's for sure.

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

Tonteau wrote:

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

hairy cataract wrote:"It's a wider problem and it is behaviour. It's a reflection of where we are as a country at the moment.

"It's a difficult time for people. We are going to have more difficult times because of the economy and the situation we are in, but we have to look at what we are doing in terms of parenting and how we want to be viewed as a country."

So says Gareth Southgate about pitch invasions.  

Yeah, that's exactly why we all poured onto the pitch after Thursday night's game, Gareth.  It was the economy.  And as I watched the lids dancing around, and Super Frank waving to the adoring crowd, I thought to myself "fuck, what are we doing in terms of parenting, and how do we want to be viewed as a country?"

Is there a bigger bellend in football?  Obviously, Klopp - but he's quite smart as well.  Southgate is just a bellend who thinks he's smart.

I agree. Gareth, it's OK to have a simple, straightforward opinion on things - "I can understand the emotion of the fans, maybe this is a reaction to lockdown isolation, but that said, we need to deal with those who overstep the mark", that kind of thing. No need to try to sound like Bertrand Russell in a tracksuit every time you open your gob.

Like, just for the record, a couple of weeks ago there was a crush at Schalke's stadium when they invaded the pitch after they secured promotion, and a sexual assault at Nuremburg during their own pitch invasion a week later. Last September, Lens fans invaded the pitch and tried to attack the Lille players and fans. In March, Salah had to be escorted from the field as Senegal fans invaded the pitch after their World Cup game and threw bottles at him.

How's the Senegalese economy doing, just out of interest?

Parenting? For fuck's sake. Don't ever go to a gig Gareth, whatever you do. You won't like it.

Didn't nigerian fans run on the pitch and kill a doctor at the afcon? We had one moron goad Vieira (didn't actually touch him from what I can see) and get a kicking, which was very deserved and quite funny. Give it a rest, gaz.

It's really quite irritating, this. Hairy is right, he thinks he's smarter than he is. He got some deserved credit for saying some intelligent (albeit fairly obvious) stuff on Black Lives Matter etc, and maybe that kudos has gone to his head a bit.

He's no Ian Holloway, that's for sure.

In fairness, from the hours he's put in on here over the years, I think Hairy is far superior to Ian holloway.

Goodison_Gringo wrote:

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

Tonteau wrote:

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

hairy cataract wrote:"It's a wider problem and it is behaviour. It's a reflection of where we are as a country at the moment.

"It's a difficult time for people. We are going to have more difficult times because of the economy and the situation we are in, but we have to look at what we are doing in terms of parenting and how we want to be viewed as a country."

So says Gareth Southgate about pitch invasions.  

Yeah, that's exactly why we all poured onto the pitch after Thursday night's game, Gareth.  It was the economy.  And as I watched the lids dancing around, and Super Frank waving to the adoring crowd, I thought to myself "fuck, what are we doing in terms of parenting, and how do we want to be viewed as a country?"

Is there a bigger bellend in football?  Obviously, Klopp - but he's quite smart as well.  Southgate is just a bellend who thinks he's smart.

I agree. Gareth, it's OK to have a simple, straightforward opinion on things - "I can understand the emotion of the fans, maybe this is a reaction to lockdown isolation, but that said, we need to deal with those who overstep the mark", that kind of thing. No need to try to sound like Bertrand Russell in a tracksuit every time you open your gob.

Like, just for the record, a couple of weeks ago there was a crush at Schalke's stadium when they invaded the pitch after they secured promotion, and a sexual assault at Nuremburg during their own pitch invasion a week later. Last September, Lens fans invaded the pitch and tried to attack the Lille players and fans. In March, Salah had to be escorted from the field as Senegal fans invaded the pitch after their World Cup game and threw bottles at him.

How's the Senegalese economy doing, just out of interest?

Parenting? For fuck's sake. Don't ever go to a gig Gareth, whatever you do. You won't like it.

Didn't nigerian fans run on the pitch and kill a doctor at the afcon? We had one moron goad Vieira (didn't actually touch him from what I can see) and get a kicking, which was very deserved and quite funny. Give it a rest, gaz.

It's really quite irritating, this. Hairy is right, he thinks he's smarter than he is. He got some deserved credit for saying some intelligent (albeit fairly obvious) stuff on Black Lives Matter etc, and maybe that kudos has gone to his head a bit.

He's no Ian Holloway, that's for sure.

In fairness, from the hours he's put in on here over the years, I think Hairy is far superior to Ian holloway.

A quick glimpse at where France is as a country at the moment. This has got me worrying about their economy, and where are the parents?

(Incidentally St Etienne is my French team. They went down today, and I watched the game. It was terrible, St Etienne were awful. We were really bad at times this season but not remotely this bad.)

Here's a longer vid. All joking aside, what we're seeing here is a major problem. Our Palace pitch invasion was joyous. This one is driven by malice (the immediacy of all the flares being directed at the benches/tunnel, within seconds of the penalty shoot-out ending, suggests a pre-meditated element to this behaviour. Note also the empty stand behind the goal, closed as punishment for crowd trouble earlier in the season.)

Also, when considering what happened at the CL final, we can see here that the French police (all brainless cosplay machismo, just like their US equivalents) appear to have wasted absolutely no time in using tear gas indiscriminately. The scenes in the tunnel show people struggling with the effects of the gas. I'm quite sure a good few of the coppers will also have put their batons to use on random people who happened to cross their path.

I've got a bad feeling about where this is going to end up, similar to the inevitability of 80's football violence resulting in something like Heysel. So I suspect that in order to stop this from leading to a tragedy somewhere down the line, they're going to have to do something about all pitch invasions, whether driven by happiness or anger. The impromptu, collective celebration we saw after the Palace game will probably become a thing of the past. It's hard to stop though, without fences. Maybe their only solution is to threaten to ban anyone who comes onto the field of play for any reason whatsoever. Not sure how realistic an option that is.

The irony of Southgate's comments is that they're a lot more appropriate to these scenes, a combo of fans looking for trouble and an aggressive police force desperate to use the toys they've been given, than individual knobheads doing stupid stuff during what were celebratory invasions. This stuff, in France, is way more indicative of the kind of societal decline he was alluding to than anything seen in England in recent weeks, which only further demonstrates how misplaced his comments were. France has been dealing with social disruption and disorder for a good few years now. We got through something as massive and divisive as Brexit largely by shouting at each other on social media, not by blockading roads, burning cars on streets, or firing flares at dugouts.

Being charitable, one could argue that Southgate directed the right comments at the wrong events. But if he's as clever as he thinks he is then these scenes, which put what we've seen in England of late into perspective, should cause him to reflect on whether his comments were disproportionate, inappropriate, and (perhaps inadvertently) fed the lazy narrative that this is solely an English problem.

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:Here's a longer vid. All joking aside, what we're seeing here is a major problem. Our Palace pitch invasion was joyous. This one is driven by malice (the immediacy of all the flares being directed at the benches/tunnel, within seconds of the penalty shoot-out ending, suggests a pre-meditated element to this behaviour. Note also the empty stand behind the goal, closed as punishment for crowd trouble earlier in the season.)

Also, when considering what happened at the CL final, we can see here that the French police (all brainless cosplay machismo, just like their US equivalents) appear to have wasted absolutely no time in using tear gas indiscriminately. The scenes in the tunnel show people struggling with the effects of the gas. I'm quite sure a good few of the coppers will also have put their batons to use on random people who happened to cross their path.

I've got a bad feeling about where this is going to end up, similar to the inevitability of 80's football violence resulting in something like Heysel. So I suspect that in order to stop this from leading to a tragedy somewhere down the line, they're going to have to do something about all pitch invasions, whether driven by happiness or anger. The impromptu, collective celebration we saw after the Palace game will probably become a thing of the past. It's hard to stop though, without fences. Maybe their only solution is to threaten to ban anyone who comes onto the field of play for any reason whatsoever. Not sure how realistic an option that is.

The irony of Southgate's comments is that they're a lot more appropriate to these scenes, a combo of fans looking for trouble and an aggressive police force desperate to use the toys they've been given, than individual knobheads doing stupid stuff during what were celebratory invasions. This stuff, in France, is way more indicative of the kind of societal decline he was alluding to than anything seen in England in recent weeks, which only further demonstrates how misplaced his comments were. France has been dealing with social disruption and disorder for a good few years now. We got through something as massive and divisive as Brexit largely by shouting at each other on social media, not by blockading roads, burning cars on streets, or firing flares at dugouts.

Being charitable, one could argue that Southgate directed the right comments at the wrong events. But if he's as clever as he thinks he is then these scenes, which put what we've seen in England of late into perspective, should cause him to reflect on whether his comments were disproportionate, inappropriate, and (perhaps inadvertently) fed the lazy narrative that this is solely an English problem.

https://twitter.com/federicocasotti/status/1531048536837586952

Well that looked horrific. I am tempted to wonder what would have occurred had St Etienne had won. Would we have hundreds of lads stood there thinking "Fuck it! I've got all these flares and firebombs to get rid ! What am I going to do?"

I am pretty certain that the way you beat this is going to be pretty draconian. The club has to bear a significant level of accountability. I am assuming that there are significant process failings in the admission to grounds procedure for so much pyrotechnic to be allowed in is madness.

Because they have such failings I would no longer do stadium bans; I would simply with the tie to the opponents ground and they lose the ability to gain anything like revenue. Their fans will soon get tired of supporting a team they can no longer physically support. Every European citizen does have a formal card for identification. So that when you scoop the offenders you scan the ID card and any subsequent transgression (travelling to a game for example) means an arrest and some time behind bars.

Rotts, you are probably right that we have skirted across or generally along the line thus far, and in the UK sense it might be for the best we nip it in the bud sooner rather than later. Your final point is the most salient - this is not, and has never not been a solely British problem. We were better at it than most, because we were better travelled than most - our respective club support base were always much higher than our European counterparts. It also needs to be remembered that in the context of the 70s/80s were winning the competitions left right and centre, and that had to be galling for the other major soccer powers.

I would suggest that we mutually agree to the gentler sport of croquet, only I am pretty sure (just like IPL and 20/20 cricket) we would suddenly find other ways of using the equipment provided.

God, what with two world wars and one world cup, and the way they've flipped their garlic over Brexit, we should consider building a giant moat around the UK to keep those foreign johnnies out. We could call it "The Channel" or something. Maybe even The English Channel for avoidance of doubt?

Having seen that, and the way the French cops got stuck into our red cousins, the answer seems quite simple. Any PL club whose fans misbehave, have to go play in the French league. So that's goodbye to the Shite (at least they might actually win that league I suppose. Do they have penalty shoot-outs for the league winners as well as for relegation?).

On a more serious note (cough), I agree that it needs nipping in the bud before something really bad happens. I know a couple of guys who were tear-gassed on Saturday night (though to be fair, I'm not that arsed about one of them - in fact I'd be happy for him to be tear-gassed on a weekly basis), and if I'm going to have a pop at Klopp for telling RS without tickets to go to Paris, I also have to have a go at Super Frank for saying our pitch invasion was acceptable. Of course, it wasn't. I mean, as a one-off joyous thing, fine, but it should be made clear that:

1. Anyone going onto the pitch who shouldn't be on the pitch (eg all fans, Jurgen Klopp when the RS score a last minute winner in the derby, Andre Gomes etc) gets a ten year ban
2. Any manager encouraging ticketless fans to travel to away games, particularly showpiece events, is banned from the game.
3. Some other random rule to get Jurgen Klopp banned, not sure what yet.

We all just know that this kind of thing only ends one way.

hairy cataract wrote:God, what with two world wars and one world cup, and the way they've flipped their garlic over Brexit, we should consider building a giant moat around the UK to keep those foreign johnnies out.  We could call it "The Channel" or something.  Maybe even The English Channel for avoidance of doubt?

Having seen that, and the way the French cops got stuck into our red cousins, the answer seems quite simple.  Any PL club whose fans misbehave, have to go play in the French league.  So that's goodbye to the Shite (at least they might actually win that league I suppose.  Do they have penalty shoot-outs for the league winners as well as for relegation?).

On a more serious note (cough), I agree that it needs nipping in the bud before something really bad happens.  I know a couple of guys who were tear-gassed on Saturday night (though to be fair, I'm not that arsed about one of them - in fact I'd be happy for him to be tear-gassed on a weekly basis), and if I'm going to have a pop at Klopp for telling RS without tickets to go to Paris, I also have to have a go at Super Frank for saying our pitch invasion was acceptable.  Of course, it wasn't.  I mean, as a one-off joyous thing, fine, but it should be made clear that:

1.  Anyone going onto the pitch who shouldn't be on the pitch (eg all fans, Jurgen Klopp when the RS score a last minute winner in the derby, Andre Gomes etc) gets a ten year ban
2.  Any manager encouraging ticketless fans to travel to away games, particularly showpiece events, is banned from the game.
3. Some other random rule to get Jurgen Klopp banned, not sure what yet.

We all just know that this kind of thing only ends one way.

Did this happen? Got a link? What a bellend.

Tonteau wrote:

hairy cataract wrote:God, what with two world wars and one world cup, and the way they've flipped their garlic over Brexit, we should consider building a giant moat around the UK to keep those foreign johnnies out.  We could call it "The Channel" or something.  Maybe even The English Channel for avoidance of doubt?

Having seen that, and the way the French cops got stuck into our red cousins, the answer seems quite simple.  Any PL club whose fans misbehave, have to go play in the French league.  So that's goodbye to the Shite (at least they might actually win that league I suppose.  Do they have penalty shoot-outs for the league winners as well as for relegation?).

On a more serious note (cough), I agree that it needs nipping in the bud before something really bad happens.  I know a couple of guys who were tear-gassed on Saturday night (though to be fair, I'm not that arsed about one of them - in fact I'd be happy for him to be tear-gassed on a weekly basis), and if I'm going to have a pop at Klopp for telling RS without tickets to go to Paris, I also have to have a go at Super Frank for saying our pitch invasion was acceptable.  Of course, it wasn't.  I mean, as a one-off joyous thing, fine, but it should be made clear that:

1.  Anyone going onto the pitch who shouldn't be on the pitch (eg all fans, Jurgen Klopp when the RS score a last minute winner in the derby, Andre Gomes etc) gets a ten year ban
2.  Any manager encouraging ticketless fans to travel to away games, particularly showpiece events, is banned from the game.
3. Some other random rule to get Jurgen Klopp banned, not sure what yet.

We all just know that this kind of thing only ends one way.

Did this happen? Got a link? What a bellend.

It didn't actually happen, because the BBC haven't mentioned it, or Sky, or any other red-tinted media outlet that I can see. But, oh, what is this?


"Guidance on Liverpool's website clearly tells ticketless fans not to head over to Paris

But speaking on Friday at his press conference before Saturday's match with Tottenham, Klopp - seemingly unaware of the club's stance - told Liverpool fans to head over en masse.

'It's the only bad thing about the journey. It's massive, what they ask for,' Klopp said about the lack of tickets and the prices. 'I really hope they all can make it somehow and create - of course they will - an incredible atmosphere. It's nice.

'So if you don't get a ticket - I don't want to invite people to Paris but this time it is big enough. I did last time for Basel (the 2016 Europa League final) and the whole of Switzerland was like this (face palms) but I think Paris is big enough to go there without a ticket and have a good time."

hairy cataract wrote:God, what with two world wars and one world cup, and the way they've flipped their garlic over Brexit, we should consider building a giant moat around the UK to keep those foreign johnnies out.  We could call it "The Channel" or something.  Maybe even The English Channel for avoidance of doubt?

Having seen that, and the way the French cops got stuck into our red cousins, the answer seems quite simple.  Any PL club whose fans misbehave, have to go play in the French league.  So that's goodbye to the Shite (at least they might actually win that league I suppose.  Do they have penalty shoot-outs for the league winners as well as for relegation?).

On a more serious note (cough), I agree that it needs nipping in the bud before something really bad happens.  I know a couple of guys who were tear-gassed on Saturday night (though to be fair, I'm not that arsed about one of them - in fact I'd be happy for him to be tear-gassed on a weekly basis), and if I'm going to have a pop at Klopp for telling RS without tickets to go to Paris, I also have to have a go at Super Frank for saying our pitch invasion was acceptable.  Of course, it wasn't.  I mean, as a one-off joyous thing, fine, but it should be made clear that:

1.  Anyone going onto the pitch who shouldn't be on the pitch (eg all fans, Jurgen Klopp when the RS score a last minute winner in the derby, Andre Gomes etc) gets a ten year ban
2.  Any manager encouraging ticketless fans to travel to away games, particularly showpiece events, is banned from the game.
3. Some other random rule to get Jurgen Klopp banned, not sure what yet.

We all just know that this kind of thing only ends one way.

I Lol'd several times at this. Sorry but this board also has to have rules. You can't say "On a more serious note" and then carry on making me laugh.

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

hairy cataract wrote:God, what with two world wars and one world cup, and the way they've flipped their garlic over Brexit, we should consider building a giant moat around the UK to keep those foreign johnnies out.  We could call it "The Channel" or something.  Maybe even The English Channel for avoidance of doubt?

Having seen that, and the way the French cops got stuck into our red cousins, the answer seems quite simple.  Any PL club whose fans misbehave, have to go play in the French league.  So that's goodbye to the Shite (at least they might actually win that league I suppose.  Do they have penalty shoot-outs for the league winners as well as for relegation?).

On a more serious note (cough), I agree that it needs nipping in the bud before something really bad happens.  I know a couple of guys who were tear-gassed on Saturday night (though to be fair, I'm not that arsed about one of them - in fact I'd be happy for him to be tear-gassed on a weekly basis), and if I'm going to have a pop at Klopp for telling RS without tickets to go to Paris, I also have to have a go at Super Frank for saying our pitch invasion was acceptable.  Of course, it wasn't.  I mean, as a one-off joyous thing, fine, but it should be made clear that:

1.  Anyone going onto the pitch who shouldn't be on the pitch (eg all fans, Jurgen Klopp when the RS score a last minute winner in the derby, Andre Gomes etc) gets a ten year ban
2.  Any manager encouraging ticketless fans to travel to away games, particularly showpiece events, is banned from the game.
3. Some other random rule to get Jurgen Klopp banned, not sure what yet.

We all just know that this kind of thing only ends one way.

I Lol'd several times at this. Sorry but this board also has to have rules. You can't say "On a more serious note" and then carry on making me laugh.

By the way, i forgot about Lille. Some Blues on Twitter have reminded me that when we went to Lille a few years back the coppers tear-gassed our supporters with zero provocation. The French have plenty of previous here.

I'm just grateful that we have a police force in this country that isn't instinctively violent; merely corrupt, inefficient and institutionally racist.