Re: Villa v Everton

Rotterdam 1985 Thu 13 May 2021, 8:55 pm

My favourite moment from that game was when Grealish went on his dribble into the box, only for Godfrey to cruise up alongside him and effortlessly shepherd him away from goal. Like a kindly bouncer escorting an underage drinker off the premises.

The Shite have just scored. Fuckers.

We played ok, just our decision making in the final third was frequently woeful. Villa weren't as good as they were at our place, they badly missed their out-ball to Watkins so had to hold onto it more in midfield, and gave it away often.

Not saying it's two points dropped, I think a draw was fair, but that was an eminently winnable game. We just needed one moment of class but it didn't come.

3 games left and it beggars belief that we are still only two points off 5th.

Rotterdam 1985 Thu 13 May 2021, 8:57 pm

hairy cataract wrote:I thought we were utter dogshit first half, and a bit better second half. SHould really have won it - Villa were dire at times.

I'd have Mings in the centre of our defence though. Mings and Godfrey, with Mina if we want to play a three. We could offer Villa Keane and Holgate in exchange. And maybe see if we can swap Iwobi for Grealish at the same time.

Europe Carlo? You're having a laugh. Not with this squad.

Mings is a thug. Hate the cunt. Tried to do DCL tonight and he has form.

Rotterdam 1985 Thu 13 May 2021, 9:04 pm

Yeah that "2 points off 5th" comment aged well.

Yankthattoffee Thu 13 May 2021, 10:58 pm

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:
hairy cataract wrote:I thought we were utter dogshit first half, and a bit better second half. SHould really have won it - Villa were dire at times.

I'd have Mings in the centre of our defence though. Mings and Godfrey, with Mina if we want to play a three. We could offer Villa Keane and Holgate in exchange. And maybe see if we can swap Iwobi for Grealish at the same time.

Europe Carlo? You're having a laugh. Not with this squad.

Mings is a thug. Hate the cunt. Tried to do DCL tonight and he has form.

Goes to VAR for a red, and doesn't get a yellow. Like the ref forgot?

Rotterdam 1985 Fri 14 May 2021, 12:21 am

Yankthattoffee wrote:
Rotterdam 1985 wrote:
hairy cataract wrote:I thought we were utter dogshit first half, and a bit better second half. SHould really have won it - Villa were dire at times.

I'd have Mings in the centre of our defence though. Mings and Godfrey, with Mina if we want to play a three. We could offer Villa Keane and Holgate in exchange. And maybe see if we can swap Iwobi for Grealish at the same time.

Europe Carlo? You're having a laugh. Not with this squad.

Mings is a thug. Hate the cunt. Tried to do DCL tonight and he has form.
Goes to VAR for a red, and doesn't get a yellow. Like the ref forgot?

Martin Atkinson is a terrible referee. Not biased, just awful. Not making Mings leave the field at the end after he was on the deck for 3 full minutes? He seemed ok when he sprung up to deal with the header from the restart, but technically he shouldn't have been on the pitch.

Yankthattoffee Fri 14 May 2021, 12:45 am

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:
Yankthattoffee wrote:
Rotterdam 1985 wrote:
hairy cataract wrote:I thought we were utter dogshit first half, and a bit better second half. SHould really have won it - Villa were dire at times.

I'd have Mings in the centre of our defence though. Mings and Godfrey, with Mina if we want to play a three. We could offer Villa Keane and Holgate in exchange. And maybe see if we can swap Iwobi for Grealish at the same time.

Europe Carlo? You're having a laugh. Not with this squad.

Mings is a thug. Hate the cunt. Tried to do DCL tonight and he has form.
Goes to VAR for a red, and doesn't get a yellow. Like the ref forgot?

Martin Atkinson is a terrible referee. Not biased, just awful. Not making Mings leave the field at the end after he was on the deck for 3 full minutes? He seemed ok when he sprung up to deal with the header from the restart, but technically he shouldn't have been on the pitch.

The Sky commentators said it was because 2 players from the same team had collided. Sounds like ad hoc hogwash.

Rotterdam 1985 Fri 14 May 2021, 1:02 am

Yankthattoffee wrote:
Rotterdam 1985 wrote:
Yankthattoffee wrote:
Rotterdam 1985 wrote:
hairy cataract wrote:I thought we were utter dogshit first half, and a bit better second half. SHould really have won it - Villa were dire at times.

I'd have Mings in the centre of our defence though. Mings and Godfrey, with Mina if we want to play a three. We could offer Villa Keane and Holgate in exchange. And maybe see if we can swap Iwobi for Grealish at the same time.

Europe Carlo? You're having a laugh. Not with this squad.

Mings is a thug. Hate the cunt. Tried to do DCL tonight and he has form.
Goes to VAR for a red, and doesn't get a yellow. Like the ref forgot?

Martin Atkinson is a terrible referee. Not biased, just awful. Not making Mings leave the field at the end after he was on the deck for 3 full minutes? He seemed ok when he sprung up to deal with the header from the restart, but technically he shouldn't have been on the pitch.
The Sky commentators said it was because 2 players from the same team had collided. Sounds like ad hoc hogwash.

It is. I mean, the "leave the pitch after treatment" rule was brought in to try to deal with players pretending they're injured and burning off the clock. It makes zero sense for that to only apply to players injured by the opposition.

Spanish teams are the world's best time wasters but I don't see them "accidentally" bumping into each other at the end of games, knowing they can waste time without having to leave the field. They would surely have sussed this years ago. So I reckon that's bullshit.

My revolutionary idea to deal with feigned injury time-wasting is simply to stop the clock when a player needs to be treated. It's truly bizarre that in a game that now uses technology sophisticated enough to disallow perfectly good goals because one of the scorer's pubic hairs was in an offside position, the referee's wristwatch is somehow sacrosanct. Just bring in a game clock for fucks sake. Maybe this is just me, I watch a lot of NFL where time management is so important and seconds matter. It just seems weird.

hairy cataract Fri 14 May 2021, 10:14 am

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:
Yankthattoffee wrote:
Rotterdam 1985 wrote:
Yankthattoffee wrote:
Rotterdam 1985 wrote:
hairy cataract wrote:I thought we were utter dogshit first half, and a bit better second half. SHould really have won it - Villa were dire at times.

I'd have Mings in the centre of our defence though. Mings and Godfrey, with Mina if we want to play a three. We could offer Villa Keane and Holgate in exchange. And maybe see if we can swap Iwobi for Grealish at the same time.

Europe Carlo? You're having a laugh. Not with this squad.

Mings is a thug. Hate the cunt. Tried to do DCL tonight and he has form.
Goes to VAR for a red, and doesn't get a yellow. Like the ref forgot?

Martin Atkinson is a terrible referee. Not biased, just awful. Not making Mings leave the field at the end after he was on the deck for 3 full minutes? He seemed ok when he sprung up to deal with the header from the restart, but technically he shouldn't have been on the pitch.
The Sky commentators said it was because 2 players from the same team had collided. Sounds like ad hoc hogwash.

It is. I mean, the "leave the pitch after treatment" rule was brought in to try to deal with players pretending they're injured and burning off the clock. It makes zero sense for that to only apply to players injured by the opposition.

Spanish teams are the world's best time wasters but I don't see them "accidentally" bumping into each other at the end of games, knowing they can waste time without having to leave the field. They would surely have sussed this years ago. So I reckon that's bullshit.

My revolutionary idea to deal with feigned injury time-wasting is simply to stop the clock when a player needs to be treated. It's truly bizarre that in a game that now uses technology sophisticated enough to disallow perfectly good goals because one of the scorer's pubic hairs was in an offside position, the referee's wristwatch is somehow sacrosanct. Just bring in a game clock for fucks sake. Maybe this is just me, I watch a lot of NFL where time management is so important and seconds matter. It just seems weird.

I've often wondered why we don't have a game clock situation. Especially, as you say, with all the tech in the game these days. Only problem would be that we would still be playing at midnight, with all the time-wasting and rolling around. So my solution is that each player has their own clock, and they have the time they've wasted docked from their time on the pitch. So, for example, Richarlison would probably have to leave the game after about 83 minutes, due to the amount of time he wastes with non-existent injuries. Mings, once up, would have had to leave the game immediately because of the time he'd spent crying on the floor at the end of the match.

Of course, you could say this punishes the genuinely injured player. But no, if the injury is that bad, then they get carried off in an ambulance. Any minor injury, say a dislocated shoulder or a fracture of a lesser bone (ie anything other than a leg), their teammates would be motivated to get them up quickly, stick a plaster on the gaping wound, and play on .

I really can't see any flaws in this argument.

SEFTON Fri 14 May 2021, 11:07 am

First half you could be forgiven if you thought Walter Smith still Everton manager, says it all when Seamus Coleman used as a winger, awful last night think Davies would been better option instead Deucourie who is still below fitness. Anybody watched Masson Holgate close-up this season will have seen he always pulls players back giving away free kicks in or near penalty area then goes up and accosts the opposition keeper stupid boy. besides Holgate you got Mina-Kean and Sigurdsson are the other biggest culprits giving away senseless free kicks .

If we are to make changes in the Summer, for Christ sake bring in some wingers who can go past opposition, we got stung with Iwobie, don't keep relying on DCL and Richarlison as are only real threat in attack. the truth be known Richarlison stinking out the gaff all season plus DCL getting a bit full of himself.

we have lacked attacking options playing too defensive. Howard Kendal had players all over the park who could score. are midfield of Allen-Davies-Gomes -Deucourie-Sigurdsson-James, not scoring in abundance.

Rotterdam 1985 Fri 14 May 2021, 7:44 pm

hairy cataract wrote:
Rotterdam 1985 wrote:
Yankthattoffee wrote:
Rotterdam 1985 wrote:
Yankthattoffee wrote:
Rotterdam 1985 wrote:
hairy cataract wrote:I thought we were utter dogshit first half, and a bit better second half. SHould really have won it - Villa were dire at times.

I'd have Mings in the centre of our defence though. Mings and Godfrey, with Mina if we want to play a three. We could offer Villa Keane and Holgate in exchange. And maybe see if we can swap Iwobi for Grealish at the same time.

Europe Carlo? You're having a laugh. Not with this squad.

Mings is a thug. Hate the cunt. Tried to do DCL tonight and he has form.
Goes to VAR for a red, and doesn't get a yellow. Like the ref forgot?

Martin Atkinson is a terrible referee. Not biased, just awful. Not making Mings leave the field at the end after he was on the deck for 3 full minutes? He seemed ok when he sprung up to deal with the header from the restart, but technically he shouldn't have been on the pitch.
The Sky commentators said it was because 2 players from the same team had collided. Sounds like ad hoc hogwash.

It is. I mean, the "leave the pitch after treatment" rule was brought in to try to deal with players pretending they're injured and burning off the clock. It makes zero sense for that to only apply to players injured by the opposition.

Spanish teams are the world's best time wasters but I don't see them "accidentally" bumping into each other at the end of games, knowing they can waste time without having to leave the field. They would surely have sussed this years ago. So I reckon that's bullshit.

My revolutionary idea to deal with feigned injury time-wasting is simply to stop the clock when a player needs to be treated. It's truly bizarre that in a game that now uses technology sophisticated enough to disallow perfectly good goals because one of the scorer's pubic hairs was in an offside position, the referee's wristwatch is somehow sacrosanct. Just bring in a game clock for fucks sake. Maybe this is just me, I watch a lot of NFL where time management is so important and seconds matter. It just seems weird.

I've often wondered why we don't have a game clock situation. Especially, as you say, with all the tech in the game these days. Only problem would be that we would still be playing at midnight, with all the time-wasting and rolling around. So my solution is that each player has their own clock, and they have the time they've wasted docked from their time on the pitch. So, for example, Richarlison would probably have to leave the game after about 83 minutes, due to the amount of time he wastes with non-existent injuries. Mings, once up, would have had to leave the game immediately because of the time he'd spent crying on the floor at the end of the match.

Of course, you could say this punishes the genuinely injured player. But no, if the injury is that bad, then they get carried off in an ambulance. Any minor injury, say a dislocated shoulder or a fracture of a lesser bone (ie anything other than a leg), their teammates would be motivated to get them up quickly, stick a plaster on the gaping wound, and play on .

I really can't see any flaws in this argument.

It really is watertight. I would go further, and apply horse racing rules to football. If a player is rolling around as though they've broken a leg, for example, just pitch a tent up over them and shoot them. The game can carry on - if the ball hits the tent, it's a drop ball.

You are therefore one misdiagnosis away from getting shot for being a pussy. Should fix things. Pick holes in that argument, I dare ye.

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