ROBERTO MARTINEZ - Meet the new boss (Same as the old boss?)

Barry Horne's Equaliser wrote:

Yankthattoffee wrote:

hairberto cataract wrote:

Barry Horne's Equaliser wrote:

Yankthattoffee wrote:RM lines up Marriner for his next game at GP.  Good bit of psychology here,
(btw I can see the red card being transferred to Ox-Cha, but I can't see a defense for saying it may have been going wide. Ox-Cha clearly thought it was going in, otherwise why the handball? )

It depends on whether 'intent' forms any part of the rule, which I don't think it does. If the rule is as straightforward as whether or not the player denied a clear goalscoring opportunity, then the answer is no he didn't and therefore there should have been no red card.

This is true.  As is the fact that, when a player who is last man brings down an attacker in the box, it shouldn't ever be a red because he's NOT denying him a clear goalscoring opportunity - the penno IS a clear goalscoring opportunity - whereas a free-kick outside the box is not a clear etc, so should result in a red card if the offence was not in the penalty area.

The red card should not be transferred to Ox, it should be struck out completely and replaced with a yellow for Ox.

I feel a barroom brawl is around the corner here.
So, taking the Suarez WC incident, if a player thinks the ball is likely to cross the line, and it's late on, he should handle the ball, take the red, but then appeal if, later, it can be proved the ball would not have crossed the line?  Either way you've given away a penalty, but with a possible get-out clause which allows you to play the next game.
Ox should get a red, appeal and lose so he can't play at GP.
The law should be interpreted that may, using the often abused Gobshyte clause.

  

Red cards are overturned all the time if there are grounds for that to be the case.

If a player thinks that the ball is going to cross the line and they are wrong, then they've given away a completely needless penalty which is easily sufficient punishment in my opinion. His loss of bearings has cost his team by virtue of the penalty he's conceded. To send him off as well is excessive and, to the best of my knowledge, does not even form part of the laws of the game - it's nothing to do with interpretation; the rules say you have to be preventing a goalscoring opportunity in order to earn a red card, and he wasn't. Deliberate handball is a bookable offence so Oxlade Chamberlain should have been booked and no more.

I don't really understand your comparison with the Suarez incident to be honest. He should have been sent off and any attempts of the Ghanaians to break his cock ignored. I'm pretty sure that's in the laws of the game too.

eeerrrrr...............OK.   

Roberto Martinez in the news for all the right reasons.

Dailey star  Writer John Woods, has already nominated his candidate for premiership manager of the year ,Guess Who?
One Roberto Martinez. when asked why? Martinez? Woods replied ? In a season when drama in the premier league has been almost none-stop,
the Spaniard has got on with his new job quietly, efficiently and superbly .

Martinez himself would shrug off any accolades for himself, already Martinez has big ambitions at Goodison park ? work is in progress at finch farm to have a full-size quality football pitch installed, along with sleeping quarters for the first team, so as to be able to have the players rest up the night before a home game.

Already Martinez is planning next summers transfer swoops with at least 20 million reported to be available to spend on new players, Martinez said ? he
will need at least 6 new arrivals should Everton qualify for Europe, A 21 man squad would cope with the premier league fixtures but? with Europe in mind Martinez would require an extra 6 players .

Roberto Martinez, Has made such changes at Everton with his pass & play style of football,It hasn't gone un-noticed back in his homeland of Spain,
Barcelona are keeping watch on the ''catalan man'' with Martinez on a short list of managers to take over at Barcelona at the end of season, such is the success of the man, Premier League Arsenal are keeping tabs on Roberto Martinez as he progresses to pinch fourth place from Arsen Wenger , who many ''gunners'' fans feel its time for Wenger to go at the end of season.With Arsen Wenger's Failures and Roberto's success this could be Everton's downfall.

sefton wrote:Roberto Martinez in the news for all the right reasons.

Dailey star  Writer John Woods, has already nominated his candidate for premiership manager of the year ,Guess Who?
One Roberto Martinez. when asked why? Martinez? Woods replied ? In a season when drama in the premier league has been almost none-stop,
the Spaniard has got on with his new job quietly, efficiently and superbly .

Martinez himself would shrug off any accolades for himself, already Martinez has big ambitions at Goodison park ? work is in progress at finch farm to have a full-size quality football pitch installed, along with sleeping quarters for the first team, so as to be able to have the players rest up the night before a home game.

Already Martinez is planning next summers transfer swoops with at least 20 million reported to be available to spend on new players, Martinez said ? he
will need at least 6 new arrivals should Everton qualify for Europe, A 21 man squad would cope with the premier league fixtures but? with Europe in mind Martinez would require an extra 6 players .

Roberto Martinez, Has made such changes at Everton with his pass & play style of football,It hasn't gone un-noticed back in his homeland of Spain,
Barcelona are keeping watch on the ''catalan man'' with Martinez on a short list of managers to take over at Barcelona at the end of season, such is the success of the man, Premier League Arsenal are keeping tabs on Roberto Martinez as he progresses to pinch fourth place from Arsen Wenger , who many ''gunners'' fans feel its time for Wenger to go at the end of season.With Arsen Wenger's Failures and Roberto's success this could be Everton's downfall.

I would say yes if he could have beaten at least one of the current top 4 at their ground this season. But I'm not totally convinced he has done significantly better than Moyes did last season. OK he won at Old Trafford but who hadn't this season? If we were to finish top 4 at the end of the season then without a doubt he would deserve it but a lot depends on the final 9 games for me.

sefton wrote:Roberto Martinez in the news for all the right reasons.

Dailey star  Writer John Woods, has already nominated his candidate for premiership manager of the year ,Guess Who?
One Roberto Martinez. when asked why? Martinez? Woods replied ? In a season when drama in the premier league has been almost none-stop,
the Spaniard has got on with his new job quietly, efficiently and superbly .

Martinez himself would shrug off any accolades for himself, already Martinez has big ambitions at Goodison park ? work is in progress at finch farm to have a full-size quality football pitch installed, along with sleeping quarters for the first team, so as to be able to have the players rest up the night before a home game.

Already Martinez is planning next summers transfer swoops with at least 20 million reported to be available to spend on new players, Martinez said ? he
will need at least 6 new arrivals should Everton qualify for Europe, A 21 man squad would cope with the premier league fixtures but? with Europe in mind Martinez would require an extra 6 players .

Roberto Martinez, Has made such changes at Everton with his pass & play style of football,It hasn't gone un-noticed back in his homeland of Spain,
Barcelona are keeping watch on the ''catalan man'' with Martinez on a short list of managers to take over at Barcelona at the end of season, such is the success of the man, Premier League Arsenal are keeping tabs on Roberto Martinez as he progresses to pinch fourth place from Arsen Wenger , who many ''gunners'' fans feel its time for Wenger to go at the end of season.With Arsen Wenger's Failures and Roberto's success this could be Everton's downfall.

So we don't have one at our training ground already? If I was a consultant I would have highlighted the need for one of these before the place was built. If Robbie wants to give me a call I'd also suggest a sack of official size balls, a few cones and a whistle. We'll probably win the league next year now.

Goodison_Gringo wrote:

sefton wrote:Roberto Martinez in the news for all the right reasons.

Dailey star  Writer John Woods, has already nominated his candidate for premiership manager of the year ,Guess Who?
One Roberto Martinez. when asked why? Martinez? Woods replied ? In a season when drama in the premier league has been almost none-stop,
the Spaniard has got on with his new job quietly, efficiently and superbly .

Martinez himself would shrug off any accolades for himself, already Martinez has big ambitions at Goodison park ? work is in progress at finch farm to have a full-size quality football pitch installed, along with sleeping quarters for the first team, so as to be able to have the players rest up the night before a home game.

Already Martinez is planning next summers transfer swoops with at least 20 million reported to be available to spend on new players, Martinez said ? he
will need at least 6 new arrivals should Everton qualify for Europe, A 21 man squad would cope with the premier league fixtures but? with Europe in mind Martinez would require an extra 6 players .

Roberto Martinez, Has made such changes at Everton with his pass & play style of football,It hasn't gone un-noticed back in his homeland of Spain,
Barcelona are keeping watch on the ''catalan man'' with Martinez on a short list of managers to take over at Barcelona at the end of season, such is the success of the man, Premier League Arsenal are keeping tabs on Roberto Martinez as he progresses to pinch fourth place from Arsen Wenger , who many ''gunners'' fans feel its time for Wenger to go at the end of season.With Arsen Wenger's Failures and Roberto's success this could be Everton's downfall.

So we don't have one at our training ground already? If I was a consultant I would have highlighted the need for one of these before the place was built. If Robbie wants to give me a call I'd also suggest a sack of official size balls, a few cones and a whistle. We'll probably win the league next year now.

Full size goals too. Obviously Robles trains in 5 a side goals.

Both Arsenal and Spurs fans are talking about getting Roberto Martinez in to replace their managers.

Deluded?

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:Both Arsenal and Spurs fans are talking about getting Roberto Martinez in to replace their managers.

Deluded?

United fans, Real Madrid fans and Barcelona fans are talking about it too - maybe we should point out that Rogers has done really really well this season on "virtually no budget"?

Sack the Juggler wrote:

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:Both Arsenal and Spurs fans are talking about getting Roberto Martinez in to replace their managers.

Deluded?

United fans, Real Madrid fans and Barcelona fans are talking about it too - maybe we should point out that Rogers has done really really well this season on "virtually no budget"?

Suarez will go to RM in the summer, with Gerrard finishing his career across the pond, as well!

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:Both Arsenal and Spurs fans are talking about getting Roberto Martinez in to replace their managers.

Deluded?

If Everton finish fourth spot , Why would Roberto even contemplate a move ? Specially if both Arsenal /Spurs fail for Champions League football ?

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:

Sack the Juggler wrote:

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:Both Arsenal and Spurs fans are talking about getting Roberto Martinez in to replace their managers.

Deluded?

United fans, Real Madrid fans and Barcelona fans are talking about it too - maybe we should point out that Rogers has done really really well this season on "virtually no budget"?

Suarez will go to RM in the summer, with Gerrard finishing his career across the pond, as well!

Tranmere?

Goodison_Gringo wrote:

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:

Sack the Juggler wrote:

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:Both Arsenal and Spurs fans are talking about getting Roberto Martinez in to replace their managers.

Deluded?

United fans, Real Madrid fans and Barcelona fans are talking about it too - maybe we should point out that Rogers has done really really well this season on "virtually no budget"?

Suarez will go to RM in the summer, with Gerrard finishing his career across the pond, as well!

Tranmere?

Syria   

Goodison_Gringo wrote:

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:

Sack the Juggler wrote:

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:Both Arsenal and Spurs fans are talking about getting Roberto Martinez in to replace their managers.

Deluded?

United fans, Real Madrid fans and Barcelona fans are talking about it too - maybe we should point out that Rogers has done really really well this season on "virtually no budget"?

Suarez will go to RM in the summer, with Gerrard finishing his career across the pond, as well!

Tranmere?

The Shyte wanted Rapid Robby but he said no. United had their chance, but went for Moyes. Spurs are a nightmare, so who'd want to go there?
Suddenly BK's judgement is shown to be impeccable, and now there's handwringing, and wish-we-hads all over the place.
Sorry PL you hitched your wagons to the wrong horses. There was a thoroughbred out there, and you all didn't notice.

Yankthattoffee wrote:

Goodison_Gringo wrote:

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:

Sack the Juggler wrote:

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:Both Arsenal and Spurs fans are talking about getting Roberto Martinez in to replace their managers.

Deluded?

United fans, Real Madrid fans and Barcelona fans are talking about it too - maybe we should point out that Rogers has done really really well this season on "virtually no budget"?

Suarez will go to RM in the summer, with Gerrard finishing his career across the pond, as well!

Tranmere?

The Shyte wanted Rapid Robby but he said no. United had their chance, but went for Moyes. Spurs are a nightmare, so who'd want to go there?
Suddenly BK's judgement is shown to be impeccable, and now there's handwringing, and wish-we-hads all over the place.
Sorry PL you hitched your wagons to the wrong horses. There was a thoroughbred out there, and you all didn't notice.

To be fair, I don't suppose that the RS are overly concerned at this present time.

Statman wrote:

Yankthattoffee wrote:

Goodison_Gringo wrote:

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:

Sack the Juggler wrote:

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:Both Arsenal and Spurs fans are talking about getting Roberto Martinez in to replace their managers.

Deluded?

United fans, Real Madrid fans and Barcelona fans are talking about it too - maybe we should point out that Rogers has done really really well this season on "virtually no budget"?

Suarez will go to RM in the summer, with Gerrard finishing his career across the pond, as well!

Tranmere?

The Shyte wanted Rapid Robby but he said no. United had their chance, but went for Moyes. Spurs are a nightmare, so who'd want to go there?
Suddenly BK's judgement is shown to be impeccable, and now there's handwringing, and wish-we-hads all over the place.
Sorry PL you hitched your wagons to the wrong horses. There was a thoroughbred out there, and you all didn't notice.

To be fair, I don't suppose that the RS are overly concerned at this present time.

Agreed.
The Shyte's bosses were very forward thinking in how they set up their new regime, even though it looked dicey for a while. BK has gone looking to the future. Other teams have made poor choices and are now in catch-up mode. Like children, somehow the other kids' toys look better than yours.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27045212

Following Martinez's appointment last June, chairman Bill Kenwright revealed that the Spaniard had promised to win qualification to the Champions League.

Speaking before the Palace game, Martinez said: "It was a little bit too early to say we would be challenging because I hadn't even told my players about the vision, so I didn't know how the players were going to react to this.

"I expected to be the one to slowly unfold the plans, not just give it on the first day, and my worry was how the group would react. It would have helped if he'd allowed me to say it to the players first.

"I didn't say anything, because I have great respect for the chairman. When you meet him you realise his life is Everton and he has a genuine love for the football club."

Seems they've reacted well, fortunately!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26996315

Nice piece by Pat Nevin on Bobby and our fullbacks.

Certain members of press think that Roberto should be the next Man Utd manager.

Cheeky or what??

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:Certain members of press think that Roberto should be the next Man Utd manager.

Cheeky or what??

I hope they offer him the job, and he tells them to go fuck them selfs!!!




18/1 odds on sky....

The special relationship that SAF often spoke of, is dead.
They had their chance at getting RM last year. Tough titties to Sky and all their sponsors.
Go cry all the way to the guys with the putty.

Just heard that one of the Shyte fans had a banner, at the Norwich game, saying "Rodgers - The Carefully Chosen One"

That gets a reluctant   

Yankthattoffee wrote:The special relationship that SAF often spoke of, is dead.
They had their chance at getting RM last year. Tough titties to Sky and all their sponsors.
Go cry all the way to the guys with the putty.

Would be surprised if Martinez went there so soon after joining us. He showed by turning down Liverpool while at Wigan that he is a loyal man. He'll give us a couple more seasons minimum.

Barry Horne's Equaliser wrote:

Yankthattoffee wrote:The special relationship that SAF often spoke of, is dead.
They had their chance at getting RM last year. Tough titties to Sky and all their sponsors.
Go cry all the way to the guys with the putty.

Would be surprised if Martinez went there so soon after joining us. He showed by turning down Liverpool while at Wigan that he is a loyal man. He'll give us a couple more seasons minimum.

Can you imagine the fans' horror if they came back to Everton for another manager?!!    and   

Yankthattoffee wrote:

Barry Horne's Equaliser wrote:

Yankthattoffee wrote:The special relationship that SAF often spoke of, is dead.
They had their chance at getting RM last year. Tough titties to Sky and all their sponsors.
Go cry all the way to the guys with the putty.

Would be surprised if Martinez went there so soon after joining us. He showed by turning down Liverpool while at Wigan that he is a loyal man. He'll give us a couple more seasons minimum.

Can you imagine the fans' horror if they came back to Everton for another manager?!!      and    

Yes, I think the Glazers have already burned their fingers appointing young Everton managers who haven't actually won anything (I'm ignoring the FA Cup). They'll get some big name European manager in, which is what they would have done if it wasn't for SAF's 'recommendation'.

Yankthattoffee wrote:

Barry Horne's Equaliser wrote:

Yankthattoffee wrote:The special relationship that SAF often spoke of, is dead.
They had their chance at getting RM last year. Tough titties to Sky and all their sponsors.
Go cry all the way to the guys with the putty.

Would be surprised if Martinez went there so soon after joining us. He showed by turning down Liverpool while at Wigan that he is a loyal man. He'll give us a couple more seasons minimum.

Can you imagine the fans' horror if they came back to Everton for another manager?!!      and    

Yea. we get David Moyes as a replacement?  

sefton wrote:

Yankthattoffee wrote:

Barry Horne's Equaliser wrote:

Yankthattoffee wrote:The special relationship that SAF often spoke of, is dead.
They had their chance at getting RM last year. Tough titties to Sky and all their sponsors.
Go cry all the way to the guys with the putty.

Would be surprised if Martinez went there so soon after joining us. He showed by turning down Liverpool while at Wigan that he is a loyal man. He'll give us a couple more seasons minimum.

Can you imagine the fans' horror if they came back to Everton for another manager?!!      and    

Yea. we get David Moyes as a replacement?  

When ever a big club sacks its manager it starts the inevitable manger musical chairs!