Sean Dyche - has one hell of a job to do !

Here you go, four doors. This is a great little intro to Dycheball… by the man himself.

Tonteau wrote:Here you go, four doors. This is a great little intro to Dycheball… by the man himself.

With Bielsa that would have taken 38 minutes... Spanish then the translation...

One thingI noticed today was the snobbery of the likes of the Big 6 talk about fast expansive long passing football. Outside of the big six it's long ball or hoof ball - still thinking we are down... but do really want hi to succeed

still no confirmation

Hats off.... I enjoyed listening to the interview. Far better than the Shoite efforts with Hicks & Gillette and John Henry...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6RqxcCY-OY

Da Judge wrote:Hats off.... I enjoyed listening to the interview. Far better than the Shoite efforts with Hicks & Gillette and John Henry...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6RqxcCY-OY

Yeah, there is some reason for encouragement watching that. He's engaged and appears to remain committed (I've been fearing some kind of Mike Ashley-style detachment ever since the protests started.) He's done well with the stadium - if it's correct that he's got fixed contracts in place to prevent spiraling costs then that's impressive.

There wasn't much "mea culpa" in there though - towards the end he admitted that he's been too impatient and sacked managers too soon, but not enough humility on other stuff we've got badly wrong on his watch, such as not having a proper plan or structure in place earlier, or simply appointing too many of the wrong people in the first place. He did talk about improvement in player recruitment, which is vital, but again, I'd have liked him to be more direct in acknowledging previous failings. He skimmed past the marginalisation of Brands, which was disappointing. And I'd have liked the interviewer to have thrown in a question about the influence of Joorabchian, which isn't as much of a concern for me as it is for some, but I would still have liked to hear his words on that.

I think we need to take him at his word. We need to be patient, we need to hope that their structural review brings those delayed improvements that he refers to. We need to pull together. The worst thing our fan base can do between now and the end of the season is to continue to demand the removal of an owner and a board that clearly aren't going anywhere and have, despite all their fuck-ups elsewhere, done really well with the stadium.

So when is the new manager appointment going to be made official? Are there complications with the Dyche appointment or what's taking so long to finalize?

Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:So when is the new manager appointment going to be made official? Are there complications with the Dyche appointment or what's taking so long to finalize?

Are spurs hijacking it ?

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

Da Judge wrote:Hats off.... I enjoyed listening to the interview. Far better than the Shoite efforts with Hicks & Gillette and John Henry...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6RqxcCY-OY

Yeah, there is some reason for encouragement watching that. He's engaged and appears to remain committed (I've been fearing some kind of Mike Ashley-style detachment ever since the protests started.) He's done well with the stadium - if it's correct that he's got fixed contracts in place to prevent spiraling costs then that's impressive.

There wasn't much "mea culpa" in there though - towards the end he admitted that he's been too impatient and sacked managers too soon, but not enough humility on other stuff we've got badly wrong on his watch, such as not having a proper plan or structure in place earlier, or simply appointing too many of the wrong people in the first place. He did talk about improvement in player recruitment, which is vital, but again, I'd have liked him to be more direct in acknowledging previous failings. He skimmed past the marginalisation of Brands, which was disappointing. And I'd have liked the interviewer to have thrown in a question about the influence of Joorabchian, which isn't as much of a concern for me as it is for some, but I would still have liked to hear his words on that.

I think we need to take him at his word. We need to be patient, we need to hope that their structural review brings those delayed improvements that he refers to. We need to pull together. The worst thing our fan base can do between now and the end of the season is to continue to demand the removal of an owner and a board that clearly aren't going anywhere and have, despite all their fuck-ups elsewhere, done really well with the stadium.

I actually rewatched this morning (at 3:20am - yes the stuff that is going on is fucked my sleep pattern the and going to the US and back in a day - like the old days)

The thing I wanted to listen to was the issues around the continual hassle of FFP and how the ground changes it. Now I cannot believe that Mosh would say he got a fixed price and say publicly and no word from the builders/architects/project team. So assuming that we had a figure around £580m I think with some likely agreed on-cost built into the contract within a capped total. If we go with £750m which is something I think I have seen somewhere. The point that really piqued my interest is that he said the cost to build that stadium now would be £1.15Bn that is about 50% more. The key about that is that represents the potential asset value for the ground when we do the calculations. It also allows Mosh to get his money back if he sells (original price plus most of his investment). Either way I would hazard a guess it would place into the top 8 in terms of club value (the Six plus NUFC).

I have always stated that priority one was to get an improved Stadium - I would take 17th every year for the next 2-3 seasons as long as we get it built and are in the Premiership then. watch things gather momentum. I would be tempted to tell Bielsa he can come in and his express goal would be to work every level of the club U15, U17, U19 and U21 over the next 4 years to embed the capability to high line/high press for when they are ready as fully fledged pros. He doesn't get £1m per month. He does get £2m per year AND the blank canvas to truly create a club in his image.

Bielsa's social viewpoint is an incredibly close affinity to the region we are. I would love to see him take it on. Of course we would write it into his contract that every 8 months he would be expected to act as an interim 1st team coach, but that would be deemed overtime on time and a half.

This of course establishes the Enterprise platform architecture, the core application suite and the software upgrade path for the apps that I alluded to in an earlier post.

Everton have named former Burnley boss Sean Dyche as their new manager.

The Toffees sacked Frank Lampard last week with the club 19th in the Premier League and two points from safety following a 2-0 defeat by West Ham.

Dyche has been out of work since he was dismissed by the Clarets last April after almost 10 years at the club.

His immediate task will be to guide Everton out of the relegation zone and to safety with 18 games of the season remaining.

More to follow.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/64431854

On the OS as well naturally.

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/3040462/dyche-named-new-everton-manager

Have they sacked him yet?

Looked at the fixtures and I think he has 9 games. Assuming we lose next 2 to Arse and Shite, and will lose to Chavski, Spuds and Manure in March / April he has the 4 games in between to try to get some points. Dirty Leeds, Villa, Forest and Brentford. I think the Bees are way better than us, Leeds will score, so a point there, can see a point at Forrst, so will come down to the Villa game. Fail to win that and its a max of 3 points in 9 games, will be rock bottom and adrift.
He will be sacked after the ManUre defeat and Bielsa will come in and look after the kids and oversee the relegation, before taking over properly next season.
The players wont be good enough to play Bielsas style of play in the Championship and he goes halfway through the season. Pardew then comes in and just misses the play-offs.
Bad start to the season after and Pardew is sacked, Rooney finally comes in, comes out of retitement and scores 30 goals in a title winning season and glorious return to the prem, just in time for the heavily delayed new Stadium.
The next 10 years involves astonishing success, trophies galore and Rooney most successful manager ever!!
I think thats pretty much everything!!!

callmebubbles wrote:Looked at the fixtures and I think he has 9 games. Assuming we lose next 2 to Arse and Shite, and will lose to Chavski, Spuds and Manure in March / April he has the 4 games in between to try to get some points. Dirty Leeds, Villa, Forest and Brentford. I think the Bees are way better than us, Leeds will score, so a point there, can see a point at Forrst, so will come down to the Villa game. Fail to win that and its a max of 3 points in 9 games, will be rock bottom and adrift.
He will be sacked after the ManUre defeat and Bielsa will come in and look after the kids and oversee the relegation, before taking over properly next season.
The players wont be good enough to play Bielsas style of play in the Championship and he goes halfway through the season. Pardew then comes in and just misses the play-offs.
Bad start to the season after and Pardew is sacked, Rooney finally comes in, comes out of retitement and scores 30 goals in a title winning season and glorious return to the prem, just in time for the heavily delayed new Stadium.
The next 10 years involves astonishing success, trophies galore and Rooney most successful manager ever!!
I think thats pretty much everything!!!

Seems reasonable enough to me!

Well at least we now have a manager again ... I really hope it works this time or we are truly doomed to the Championship.

I'll move this thread to first team section & rename it to Sean Dyche.

COYB

He needs signings or has no chance. Gallagher and Gyokeres or Brereton-Diaz would give us some options but the cupboard is bare going forward at present

Dyche will turn former Burnley players Keane and Tarkowski into an impenetrable defensive wall, while McNeil becomes a goal machine and fires us to safety.

In all seriousness, I think this is a Moyes-type appointment. A straight-talking manager who plays no nonsense football and doesn't take any shit from players. Whether it's enough to keep us up remains to be seen.

I actually feel quite optimistic. I'm sure it will only last a few weeks but I haven't felt any optimism since Carlo, so I'm going to enjoy it while I can

Armchair wrote:I actually feel quite optimistic. I'm sure it will only last a few weeks but I haven't felt any optimism since Carlo, so I'm going to enjoy it while I can

Thinking about the short term (i.e. this season) I'm not. And that's not a knock on Dyche, who I think is a perfectly sensible, pragmatic appointment for us at this stage. I'm more concerned that the squad is so poor in certain areas, with no guarantee of reinforcements before the window closes in (checks watch) just over 24 hours' time, that I think this is likely to be a salvage job that's beyond him.

Looking to the medium-term (next season and beyond) I feel a bit more optimistic. If we go down, then, with a summer to work on the squad and with some better recruitment, I think he can get us back up straight away. And I see Dyche, if all goes according to plan, having a ceiling somewhere near where Moyes got us before he moved on.

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

Armchair wrote:I actually feel quite optimistic. I'm sure it will only last a few weeks but I haven't felt any optimism since Carlo, so I'm going to enjoy it while I can

Thinking about the short term (i.e. this season) I'm not. And that's not a knock on Dyche, who I think is a perfectly sensible, pragmatic appointment for us at this stage. I'm more concerned that the squad is so poor in certain areas, with no guarantee of reinforcements before the window closes in (checks watch) just over 24 hours' time, that I think this is likely to be a salvage job that's beyond him.

Looking to the medium-term (next season and beyond) I feel a bit more optimistic. If we go down, then, with a summer to work on the squad and with some better recruitment, I think he can get us back up straight away. And I see Dyche, if all goes according to plan, having a ceiling somewhere near where Moyes got us before he moved on.

And of course, this last bit is heavily dependent on an improvement on the recruitment side, whether the club has a sensible and workable strategic plan for squad development and continuity etc.

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

Armchair wrote:I actually feel quite optimistic. I'm sure it will only last a few weeks but I haven't felt any optimism since Carlo, so I'm going to enjoy it while I can

Thinking about the short term (i.e. this season) I'm not. And that's not a knock on Dyche, who I think is a perfectly sensible, pragmatic appointment for us at this stage. I'm more concerned that the squad is so poor in certain areas, with no guarantee of reinforcements before the window closes in (checks watch) just over 24 hours' time, that I think this is likely to be a salvage job that's beyond him.

Looking to the medium-term (next season and beyond) I feel a bit more optimistic. If we go down, then, with a summer to work on the squad and with some better recruitment, I think he can get us back up straight away. And I see Dyche, if all goes according to plan, having a ceiling somewhere near where Moyes got us before he moved on.

And of course, this last bit is heavily dependent on an improvement on the recruitment side, whether the club has a sensible and workable strategic plan for squad development and continuity etc.

So you mean we are fucked then?

callmebubbles wrote:

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

Rotterdam 1985 wrote:

Armchair wrote:I actually feel quite optimistic. I'm sure it will only last a few weeks but I haven't felt any optimism since Carlo, so I'm going to enjoy it while I can

Thinking about the short term (i.e. this season) I'm not. And that's not a knock on Dyche, who I think is a perfectly sensible, pragmatic appointment for us at this stage. I'm more concerned that the squad is so poor in certain areas, with no guarantee of reinforcements before the window closes in (checks watch) just over 24 hours' time, that I think this is likely to be a salvage job that's beyond him.

Looking to the medium-term (next season and beyond) I feel a bit more optimistic. If we go down, then, with a summer to work on the squad and with some better recruitment, I think he can get us back up straight away. And I see Dyche, if all goes according to plan, having a ceiling somewhere near where Moyes got us before he moved on.

And of course, this last bit is heavily dependent on an improvement on the recruitment side, whether the club has a sensible and workable strategic plan for squad development and continuity etc.

So you mean we are fucked then?

I said this during the manager search - I was not only looking at contenders who could keep us up, but also managers who might get us straight back up again. I am mentally prepared for relegation.

So I would put it this way - the Dyche appointment has taken me from "we're absolutely fucked" to merely "we're probably fucked."

What I like about Dyche is that he has a bit of personality about him. He can shoulder the pressure a bit and hopefully take some off the players. Lampard usually spoke well but you always felt he was a bit overwhelmed by it all and exasperated that the players weren’t simply ‘playing better’ like he had no hand in the training or tactics. At least Dyche comes with both the experience of keeping a team up and getting a team promoted.

Tonteau wrote:What I like about Dyche is that he has a bit of personality about him. He can shoulder the pressure a bit and hopefully take some off the players. Lampard usually spoke well but you always felt he was a bit overwhelmed by it all and exasperated that the players weren’t simply ‘playing better’ like he had no hand in the training or tactics. At least Dyche comes with both the experience of keeping a team up and getting a team promoted.

What I like about Dyche is that he'll have a plan. I've used that word, plan, so many fucking times in posts and conversations about Everton in the last few months.

He knows what he wants to do and he'll have an idea of how to get there, even with a limited squad. It may not work, for this season, and it certainly won't be attractive to watch. But at least it won't feel like we're making things up as we go along, one game at a time.

And yes, I quite like his personality actually. I get the feeling he'll be one of those managers who people like playing for, and even if they don't like him or his methods, they'll still respect him and will want to work for him.