Re: 5: Johnny Heitinga -"proud Evertonian"

Mr_Ben Thu 19 Dec 2013, 5:04 pm

Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:
Armchair Evertonian wrote:
Everton manager Roberto Martinez has hinted he may sell 30-year-old defender Johnny Heitinga.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/353808/Roberto-Martinez-drops-hint-that-Everton-may-sell-out-of-favour-Johnny-Heitinga-in-January
I'm surprised he has featured 137 times for us. That's what the article claimed.

Probably about right. Remember a few seasons ago he played quite a lot

Tonteau Thu 19 Dec 2013, 5:05 pm

Mr_Ben wrote:
Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:
Armchair Evertonian wrote:
Everton manager Roberto Martinez has hinted he may sell 30-year-old defender Johnny Heitinga.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/353808/Roberto-Martinez-drops-hint-that-Everton-may-sell-out-of-favour-Johnny-Heitinga-in-January
I'm surprised he has featured 137 times for us. That's what the article claimed.

Probably about right. Remember a few seasons ago he played quite a lot

Two seasons ago he was our player of the season.

Lumper Thu 19 Dec 2013, 7:41 pm

Tonteau wrote:
Mr_Ben wrote:
Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:
Armchair Evertonian wrote:
Everton manager Roberto Martinez has hinted he may sell 30-year-old defender Johnny Heitinga.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/353808/Roberto-Martinez-drops-hint-that-Everton-may-sell-out-of-favour-Johnny-Heitinga-in-January
I'm surprised he has featured 137 times for us. That's what the article claimed.

Probably about right. Remember a few seasons ago he played quite a lot

Two seasons ago he was our player of the season.

I thought, at times, he was awesome for us . Playing in the World Cup final didn't seem to do him any favors.

mindyerEnvelopeRef? Thu 19 Dec 2013, 11:38 pm

Lumper wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
Mr_Ben wrote:
Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:
Armchair Evertonian wrote:
Everton manager Roberto Martinez has hinted he may sell 30-year-old defender Johnny Heitinga.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/353808/Roberto-Martinez-drops-hint-that-Everton-may-sell-out-of-favour-Johnny-Heitinga-in-January
I'm surprised he has featured 137 times for us. That's what the article claimed.

Probably about right. Remember a few seasons ago he played quite a lot

Two seasons ago he was our player of the season.

I thought, at times, he was awesome for us . Playing in the World Cup final didn't seem to do him any favors.

Yeah +1. Too much like Jags to play alongside Jags, and DM seemed to fancy him as a Carsley type. We've 3 better in that Carsley mould now.

Yankthattoffee Thu 19 Dec 2013, 11:57 pm

mindyerho? wrote:
Lumper wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
Mr_Ben wrote:
Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:
Armchair Evertonian wrote:
Everton manager Roberto Martinez has hinted he may sell 30-year-old defender Johnny Heitinga.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/353808/Roberto-Martinez-drops-hint-that-Everton-may-sell-out-of-favour-Johnny-Heitinga-in-January
I'm surprised he has featured 137 times for us. That's what the article claimed.

Probably about right. Remember a few seasons ago he played quite a lot

Two seasons ago he was our player of the season.

I thought, at times, he was awesome for us . Playing in the World Cup final didn't seem to do him any favors.

Yeah +1. Too much like Jags to play alongside Jags, and DM seemed to fancy him as a Carsley type. We've 3 better in that Carsley mould now.

He seemed to be at his best when protected by his midfield, and he was able to marshal them, but as soon as he was exposed 1 on 1, he just didn't have the pace, weight or height to cope.

Tonteau Fri 20 Dec 2013, 10:58 am

Lumper wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
Mr_Ben wrote:
Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:
Armchair Evertonian wrote:
Everton manager Roberto Martinez has hinted he may sell 30-year-old defender Johnny Heitinga.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/353808/Roberto-Martinez-drops-hint-that-Everton-may-sell-out-of-favour-Johnny-Heitinga-in-January
I'm surprised he has featured 137 times for us. That's what the article claimed.

Probably about right. Remember a few seasons ago he played quite a lot

Two seasons ago he was our player of the season.

I thought, at times, he was awesome for us . Playing in the World Cup final didn't seem to do him any favors.

His best season for us came after he'd played in the WC final, though. I remember the game where we beat chelsea and Saha scored. Heitinga bossed drogba all game. I think his biggest problem was that he didn't like competition, he wanted to be first choice all the time and if he'd lost his place and got a chance to play, he'd never raise his game like he would when he knew he had a run of games.

Leaving his shoulder in on Ashley Cole when he was going up to take a penalty has to rank as a classic piece of gamesmanship. cheers

5: Johnny Heitinga -"proud Evertonian" - Page 23 F_laugh

RhinoJagz Fri 20 Dec 2013, 11:09 am

Tonteau wrote:
Lumper wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
Mr_Ben wrote:
Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:
Armchair Evertonian wrote:
Everton manager Roberto Martinez has hinted he may sell 30-year-old defender Johnny Heitinga.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/353808/Roberto-Martinez-drops-hint-that-Everton-may-sell-out-of-favour-Johnny-Heitinga-in-January
I'm surprised he has featured 137 times for us. That's what the article claimed.

Probably about right. Remember a few seasons ago he played quite a lot

Two seasons ago he was our player of the season.

I thought, at times, he was awesome for us . Playing in the World Cup final didn't seem to do him any favors.

His best season for us came after he'd played in the WC final, though. I remember the game where we beat chelsea and Saha scored. Heitinga bossed drogba all game. I think his biggest problem was that he didn't like competition, he wanted to be first choice all the time and if he'd lost his place and got a chance to play, he'd never raise his game like he would when he knew he had a run of games.

Leaving his shoulder in on Ashley Cole when he was going up to take a penalty has to rank as a classic piece of gamesmanship.

Also though when he wasn't on his game, was liable to quite a lot of positional errors which costs us a lot of goals. When we was good he was very good but when he want switched on he was a liability. Simple fact also is he just couldn't shift Jags or Distin who are probably the most reliable centre back duo in the league.

Made 4 Gwladys Fri 20 Dec 2013, 11:27 am

Bluejagz wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
Lumper wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
Mr_Ben wrote:
Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:
Armchair Evertonian wrote:
Everton manager Roberto Martinez has hinted he may sell 30-year-old defender Johnny Heitinga.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/353808/Roberto-Martinez-drops-hint-that-Everton-may-sell-out-of-favour-Johnny-Heitinga-in-January
I'm surprised he has featured 137 times for us. That's what the article claimed.

Probably about right. Remember a few seasons ago he played quite a lot

Two seasons ago he was our player of the season.

I thought, at times, he was awesome for us . Playing in the World Cup final didn't seem to do him any favors.

His best season for us came after he'd played in the WC final, though. I remember the game where we beat chelsea and Saha scored. Heitinga bossed drogba all game. I think his biggest problem was that he didn't like competition, he wanted to be first choice all the time and if he'd lost his place and got a chance to play, he'd never raise his game like he would when he knew he had a run of games.

Leaving his shoulder in on Ashley Cole when he was going up to take a penalty has to rank as a classic piece of gamesmanship.

Also though when he wasn't on his game, was liable to quite a lot of positional errors which costs us a lot of goals. When we was good he was very good but when he want switched on he was a liability. Simple fact also is he just couldn't shift Jags or Distin who are probably the most reliable centre back duo in the league.

I liked J5 .. I thought his best role for us would have been in the Gibbo / Barry slot .. ie Anchor behind the central mifield ... I don't think Moyes liked him much & he's too old to be in Robbie's long term plans

Hope he does well when he moves

RhinoJagz Fri 20 Dec 2013, 11:40 am

Made FooFoo Gwladys wrote:
Bluejagz wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
Lumper wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
Mr_Ben wrote:
Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:
Armchair Evertonian wrote:
Everton manager Roberto Martinez has hinted he may sell 30-year-old defender Johnny Heitinga.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/353808/Roberto-Martinez-drops-hint-that-Everton-may-sell-out-of-favour-Johnny-Heitinga-in-January
I'm surprised he has featured 137 times for us. That's what the article claimed.

Probably about right. Remember a few seasons ago he played quite a lot

Two seasons ago he was our player of the season.

I thought, at times, he was awesome for us . Playing in the World Cup final didn't seem to do him any favors.

His best season for us came after he'd played in the WC final, though. I remember the game where we beat chelsea and Saha scored. Heitinga bossed drogba all game. I think his biggest problem was that he didn't like competition, he wanted to be first choice all the time and if he'd lost his place and got a chance to play, he'd never raise his game like he would when he knew he had a run of games.

Leaving his shoulder in on Ashley Cole when he was going up to take a penalty has to rank as a classic piece of gamesmanship.

Also though when he wasn't on his game, was liable to quite a lot of positional errors which costs us a lot of goals. When we was good he was very good but when he want switched on he was a liability. Simple fact also is he just couldn't shift Jags or Distin who are probably the most reliable centre back duo in the league.
I liked J5 .. I thought his best role for us would have been in the Gibbo / Barry slot .. ie Anchor behind the central mifield ... I don't think Moyes liked him much & he's too old to be in Robbie's long term plans

Hope he does well when he moves

But ideally, as we can now see, you need a proper specialist player in that anchor position that can knit the defensive and midfield together effectively. Barry acts as an effective screen but his also comfortable going forward in the final third as is Gibson to a certain extent. Players like Heitinga and Neville could protect the back ok but could offered nothing going forward thus destroying any momentum of a fast break forward.

hairy cataract Wed 01 Jan 2014, 2:55 pm

The window is open, and West Ham boss Sam Allardyce confirms before kick-off that the club are hopeful of finalising a deal to sign Everton defender Johnny Heitinga in the next 24 hours.

He said: "We've had the ok from Everton and we're talking to his agent so hopefully that will happen in the next day or so."

Knight of Thorgothshire Wed 01 Jan 2014, 2:57 pm

hairy cataract wrote:
The window is open, and West Ham boss Sam Allardyce confirms before kick-off that the club are hopeful of finalising a deal to sign Everton defender Johnny Heitinga in the next 24 hours.

He said: "We've had the ok from Everton and we're talking to his agent so hopefully that will happen in the next day or so."

I wonder how much we are looking at getting from that deal. Probably not too much, but hopefully at least some £2-3M.

RhinoJagz Wed 01 Jan 2014, 3:04 pm

Takes him off the payroll then. I'm sure he is on a decent wedge. All the best Johnny. You were decent once.

Yankthattoffee Wed 01 Jan 2014, 7:27 pm

Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:
hairy cataract wrote:
The window is open, and West Ham boss Sam Allardyce confirms before kick-off that the club are hopeful of finalising a deal to sign Everton defender Johnny Heitinga in the next 24 hours.

He said: "We've had the ok from Everton and we're talking to his agent so hopefully that will happen in the next day or so."
I wonder how much we are looking at getting from that deal. Probably not too much, but hopefully at least some £2-3M.

I doubt even half of that.. £1M would be about right.

Knight of Thorgothshire Wed 01 Jan 2014, 7:39 pm

Yankthattoffee wrote:
Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:
hairy cataract wrote:
The window is open, and West Ham boss Sam Allardyce confirms before kick-off that the club are hopeful of finalising a deal to sign Everton defender Johnny Heitinga in the next 24 hours.

He said: "We've had the ok from Everton and we're talking to his agent so hopefully that will happen in the next day or so."
I wonder how much we are looking at getting from that deal. Probably not too much, but hopefully at least some £2-3M.
I doubt even half of that.. £1M would be about right.

Dutch international though. I hope we can get some cash for him.

Dixie Land Wed 01 Jan 2014, 7:51 pm

Heard rumours that we are getting fuck all for him. Apparently West Ham are taking over the remainder of his contract so he will still be out of contract in the summer.

Merseyblue Wed 01 Jan 2014, 11:19 pm

Dixie Land wrote:Heard rumours that we are getting fuck all for him. Apparently West Ham are taking over the remainder of his contract so he will still be out of contract in the summer.

I bet that free's up about £1million on his wages but we shouldn't be letting him go without a fee.

Knight of Thorgothshire Thu 02 Jan 2014, 1:20 am

Merseyblue wrote:
Dixie Land wrote:Heard rumours that we are getting fuck all for him. Apparently West Ham are taking over the remainder of his contract so he will still be out of contract in the summer.
I bet that free's up about £1million on his wages but we shouldn't be letting him go without a fee.

We sure should get something for him. Didn't realize he was done to just 6 months left on his contract.

Yankthattoffee Thu 02 Jan 2014, 2:23 am

Dixie Land wrote:Heard rumours that we are getting fuck all for him. Apparently West Ham are taking over the remainder of his contract so he will still be out of contract in the summer.

I recall Kevin Campbell leaving us like that?

Knight of Thorgothshire Thu 02 Jan 2014, 3:18 am

Yankthattoffee wrote:
Dixie Land wrote:Heard rumours that we are getting fuck all for him. Apparently West Ham are taking over the remainder of his contract so he will still be out of contract in the summer.
I recall Kevin Campbell leaving us like that?

Saha did as well.

RhinoJagz Thu 02 Jan 2014, 1:13 pm

SSN reporting that he has rejected the move to West Ham. Not enough wedge then.

update:Express reporting its not about the money so he obviously thinks Hammers are shit and doesn't want to go there. Very Happy

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/451610/Johnny-Heitinga-West-Ham-move-OFF-but-not-over-money

Gravy & Chips Thu 02 Jan 2014, 1:59 pm

Yankthattoffee wrote:
Dixie Land wrote:Heard rumours that we are getting fuck all for him. Apparently West Ham are taking over the remainder of his contract so he will still be out of contract in the summer.
I recall Kevin Campbell leaving us like that?

We actually paid Campbell to fuck off after he said he would take 17th after the 4-1 loss to Arsenal.....then we finished 4th. I lost a lot of respect for Super Kev after that

Statman Thu 02 Jan 2014, 2:19 pm

Bluejagz wrote:SSN reporting that he has rejected the move to West Ham. Not enough wedge then.

update:Express reporting its not about the money so he obviously thinks Hammers are shit and doesn't want to go there.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/451610/Johnny-Heitinga-West-Ham-move-OFF-but-not-over-money

It's like a new signing. Very Happy

Goodison_Gringo Thu 02 Jan 2014, 3:34 pm

Bluejagz wrote:SSN reporting that he has rejected the move to West Ham. Not enough wedge then.

update:Express reporting its not about the money so he obviously thinks Hammers are shit and doesn't want to go there.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/451610/Johnny-Heitinga-West-Ham-move-OFF-but-not-over-money

I presume he just met Big Fat Sam.

RhinoJagz Thu 02 Jan 2014, 3:55 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2532598/Evertons-John-Heitinga-says-transfer-West-Ham-cancelled.html

Mail suggest Newcastle have come in for him.

Tonteau Thu 02 Jan 2014, 4:08 pm

Bluejagz wrote:SSN reporting that he has rejected the move to West Ham. Not enough wedge then.

update:Express reporting its not about the money so he obviously thinks Hammers are shit and doesn't want to go there.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/451610/Johnny-Heitinga-West-Ham-move-OFF-but-not-over-money

Doesn't fancy the relegation dog-fight.

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