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Post  The President on Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:01 pm

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Post  SEFTON on Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:10 pm

The most unconvinced win I have ever seen,great result in the end but? To many players just going through the motions of playing football, Ross Barkley again giving the ball away far to many times,do we really need two defensive mid-fielders ? Gerrard Deulofeur has got to stop diving it's embarrassing ,would like to see Mirallas start a game,Stones looks shaky without Jags,all in all great game by Kone.cheers
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Post  Mr_Ben on Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:26 pm

Kone and Lakaku linked up well today.

Good come back from 2-2. Albeit we should never have let them back in.

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Post  Armchair on Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:33 pm

Did we win?
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Post  Knight of Thorgothshire on Sun 01 Nov 2015, 5:41 pm

Manager reaction
Everton 6-2 Sunderland

"It was a fantastic game to watch first and foremost. From our point of view, we knew Sunderland had changed their system to make it difficult for us. But the movement and composure in possession was special. To score six - and we could have scored more - it was outstanding. It was special.

"We got in between spaces really well. Sometimes your attacking pattern can become predictable. But the way we used the space and the interplay between our attacking players - it was a complete performance.

"We had a two-goal lead so it was a huge blow to concede before half-time and then suddenly we have something to lose. You need to understand how to play the game after conceding the second. They did that very well."

[On Arouna Kone] "His springboard was against Watford on the opening day. He had a career-threatening knee-injury but when he came on against Watford, to show he could help the team and perform, it was an incredible turning point. Since then we have seen a very good footballer."

Roberto Martinez Everton manager

Odd that he didn't mention the phenomenal defending we did...
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Post  Knight of Thorgothshire on Sun 01 Nov 2015, 5:42 pm

Armchair wrote:Did we win?
0-0 mate.
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Post  Made 4 Gwladys on Sun 01 Nov 2015, 7:03 pm

Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:
Manager reaction
Everton 6-2 Sunderland

"It was a fantastic game to watch first and foremost. From our point of view, we knew Sunderland had changed their system to make it difficult for us. But the movement and composure in possession was special. To score six - and we could have scored more - it was outstanding. It was special.

"We got in between spaces really well. Sometimes your attacking pattern can become predictable. But the way we used the space and the interplay between our attacking players - it was a complete performance.

"We had a two-goal lead so it was a huge blow to concede before half-time and then suddenly we have something to lose. You need to understand how to play the game after conceding the second. They did that very well."

[On Arouna Kone] "His springboard was against Watford on the opening day. He had a career-threatening knee-injury but when he came on against Watford, to show he could help the team and perform, it was an incredible turning point. Since then we have seen a very good footballer."

Roberto Martinez Everton manager

Odd that he didn't mention the phenomenal defending we did...
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Post  Mr_Ben on Sun 01 Nov 2015, 7:43 pm

Who scored our last hat-trick?
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Post  Made 4 Gwladys on Sun 01 Nov 2015, 8:00 pm

Mr_Ben wrote:Who scored our last hat-trick?
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Post  Yankthattoffee on Sun 01 Nov 2015, 8:35 pm

Mori Foo Gwladys wrote:ok.... quizheads.... who has scored 4 top flight goals in a league game for the blues

Louis Louis,
Oh baby,
Louis Saha,
Wow wow wow wow wow wow.

(The chant that never happened)

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Post  Made 4 Gwladys on Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:19 pm

Yankthattoffee wrote:
Mori Foo Gwladys wrote:ok.... quizheads.... who has scored 4 top flight goals in a league game for the blues

Louis Louis,
Oh baby,
Louis Saha,
Wow wow wow wow wow wow.

(The chant that never happened)

(btw, don't you just hate obstructed views and shitty food?)
that's the one I was thinking of

... v Blackpool 5 February 2011, four goals in a 5–3 win


although I'm sure Thor is also correct with Dixie
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Post  Barry Horne's Equaliser on Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:30 pm

Mori Foo Gwladys wrote:
Mr_Ben wrote:Who scored our last hat-trick?
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Pretty sure Kone's was a perfect hat trick also, wasn't it?

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Post  Sack the Juggler on Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:33 pm

error 404 wrote:6-2 for the blues, Kone to get a hat trick.
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Post  Statman on Mon 02 Nov 2015, 12:31 am

Didn't Bob Latchford score 4 in an away game at QPR or Leicester in his 30 goal season?
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Post  Sack the Juggler on Mon 02 Nov 2015, 8:14 am

Watched the highlights last night, and the woodwork saved us from a terrible defeat, as did sunderland's poor defending, they left themselves wide open for our counter attacks, something hardly any other team does at our place.

So great result, but let's not kid ourselves, our defence was poor, and we won't score 6 against any other team. We were just lucky we were playing Sunderland.

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Post  Barry Horne's Equaliser on Mon 02 Nov 2015, 9:15 am

Barry Horne's Equaliser wrote:
Mori Foo Gwladys wrote:
Mr_Ben wrote:Who scored our last hat-trick?
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Pretty sure Kone's was a perfect hat trick also, wasn't it?

No, not perfect. Seen it again. First two were left footed.

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Post  Tonteau on Mon 02 Nov 2015, 5:17 pm

error 404 wrote:Watched the highlights last night, and the woodwork saved us from a terrible defeat, as did sunderland's poor defending, they left themselves wide open for our counter attacks, something hardly any other team does at our place.

So great result, but let's not kid ourselves, our defence was poor, and we won't score 6 against any other team.  We were just lucky we were playing Sunderland.

I'd like to call bullshit on this particular line of argument, along with 'if the keeper had/hadn't saved all our shots we'd have lost/won', 'if they weren't shite/had better players we'd have lost.', 'a penalty shootout is a lottery' etc. etc. Were you claiming we'd have drawn with Arsenal if Rom's header hadn't hit the crossbar last week?

The idea with scoring goals is to first get the ball on target, hitting the post is not the target, it's close but it's definitely not the target. Having hit the target, you then have to do it with sufficient accuracy/pace/cunning/combo of all three to beat the keeper. Something Sunderland generally didn't do well enough, but that's by the by here.

Furthermore, they hit the post twice and we won by four goals, so it's highly plausible we'd still have won even if they'd scored twice instead of hitting the post.

We clearly need to do better in defence, though and conceed fewer shots at goal. Funes Mori looks like anyone with pace/skills/strength/heading ability will have him on toast. That said, it's possible our lax attitude to preventing shots on goal was basically down to the fact we were playing sunderland and it was obvious we could pretty much score when we wanted.
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Post  Statman on Mon 02 Nov 2015, 5:48 pm

Tonteau wrote:
error 404 wrote:Watched the highlights last night, and the woodwork saved us from a terrible defeat, as did sunderland's poor defending, they left themselves wide open for our counter attacks, something hardly any other team does at our place.

So great result, but let's not kid ourselves, our defence was poor, and we won't score 6 against any other team.  We were just lucky we were playing Sunderland.

I'd like to call bullshit on this particular line of argument, along with 'if the keeper had/hadn't saved all our shots we'd have lost/won', 'if they weren't shite/had better players we'd have lost.', 'a penalty shootout is a lottery' etc. etc. Were you claiming we'd have drawn with Arsenal if Rom's header hadn't hit the crossbar last week?

The idea with scoring goals is to first get the ball on target, hitting the post is not the target, it's close but it's definitely not the target. Having hit the target, you then have to do it with sufficient accuracy/pace/cunning/combo of all three to beat the keeper. Something Sunderland generally didn't do well enough, but that's by the by here.

Furthermore, they hit the post twice and we won by four goals, so it's highly plausible we'd still have won even if they'd scored twice instead of hitting the post.

We clearly need to do better in defence, though and conceed fewer shots at goal. Funes Mori looks like anyone with pace/skills/strength/heading ability will have him on toast. That said, it's possible our lax attitude to preventing shots on goal was basically down to the fact we were playing sunderland and it was obvious we could pretty much score when we wanted.
TBF, given that we lost 2-1 to Arsenal and Rom hit the bar near the end we might well have got a draw.
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Post  Tonteau on Mon 02 Nov 2015, 6:39 pm

Statman wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
error 404 wrote:Watched the highlights last night, and the woodwork saved us from a terrible defeat, as did sunderland's poor defending, they left themselves wide open for our counter attacks, something hardly any other team does at our place.

So great result, but let's not kid ourselves, our defence was poor, and we won't score 6 against any other team.  We were just lucky we were playing Sunderland.

I'd like to call bullshit on this particular line of argument, along with 'if the keeper had/hadn't saved all our shots we'd have lost/won', 'if they weren't shite/had better players we'd have lost.', 'a penalty shootout is a lottery' etc. etc. Were you claiming we'd have drawn with Arsenal if Rom's header hadn't hit the crossbar last week?

The idea with scoring goals is to first get the ball on target, hitting the post is not the target, it's close but it's definitely not the target. Having hit the target, you then have to do it with sufficient accuracy/pace/cunning/combo of all three to beat the keeper. Something Sunderland generally didn't do well enough, but that's by the by here.

Furthermore, they hit the post twice and we won by four goals, so it's highly plausible we'd still have won even if they'd scored twice instead of hitting the post.

We clearly need to do better in defence, though and conceed fewer shots at goal. Funes Mori looks like anyone with pace/skills/strength/heading ability will have him on toast. That said, it's possible our lax attitude to preventing shots on goal was basically down to the fact we were playing sunderland and it was obvious we could pretty much score when we wanted.
TBF, given that we lost 2-1 to Arsenal and Rom hit the bar near the end we might well have got a draw.

Completely agree, but it's more about how it's easier to spin it negatively than positively.
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Post  Sack the Juggler on Mon 02 Nov 2015, 8:02 pm

Tonteau wrote:
Statman wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
error 404 wrote:Watched the highlights last night, and the woodwork saved us from a terrible defeat, as did sunderland's poor defending, they left themselves wide open for our counter attacks, something hardly any other team does at our place.

So great result, but let's not kid ourselves, our defence was poor, and we won't score 6 against any other team.  We were just lucky we were playing Sunderland.

I'd like to call bullshit on this particular line of argument, along with 'if the keeper had/hadn't saved all our shots we'd have lost/won', 'if they weren't shite/had better players we'd have lost.', 'a penalty shootout is a lottery' etc. etc. Were you claiming we'd have drawn with Arsenal if Rom's header hadn't hit the crossbar last week?

The idea with scoring goals is to first get the ball on target, hitting the post is not the target, it's close but it's definitely not the target. Having hit the target, you then have to do it with sufficient accuracy/pace/cunning/combo of all three to beat the keeper. Something Sunderland generally didn't do well enough, but that's by the by here.

Furthermore, they hit the post twice and we won by four goals, so it's highly plausible we'd still have won even if they'd scored twice instead of hitting the post.

We clearly need to do better in defence, though and conceed fewer shots at goal. Funes Mori looks like anyone with pace/skills/strength/heading ability will have him on toast. That said, it's possible our lax attitude to preventing shots on goal was basically down to the fact we were playing sunderland and it was obvious we could pretty much score when we wanted.
TBF, given that we lost 2-1 to Arsenal and Rom hit the bar near the end we might well have got a draw.

Completely agree, but it's more about how it's easier to spin it negatively than positively.
ok we relied on Sunderland not being able to hit the target when they got the chance to avoid a massive defeat - my point was that sunderland, who are shyte, tore our defence apart and if they were a decent team them we would have been heavily beaten

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Post  Da Judge on Mon 02 Nov 2015, 9:00 pm

error 404 wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
Statman wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
error 404 wrote:Watched the highlights last night, and the woodwork saved us from a terrible defeat, as did sunderland's poor defending, they left themselves wide open for our counter attacks, something hardly any other team does at our place.

So great result, but let's not kid ourselves, our defence was poor, and we won't score 6 against any other team.  We were just lucky we were playing Sunderland.

I'd like to call bullshit on this particular line of argument, along with 'if the keeper had/hadn't saved all our shots we'd have lost/won', 'if they weren't shite/had better players we'd have lost.', 'a penalty shootout is a lottery' etc. etc. Were you claiming we'd have drawn with Arsenal if Rom's header hadn't hit the crossbar last week?

The idea with scoring goals is to first get the ball on target, hitting the post is not the target, it's close but it's definitely not the target. Having hit the target, you then have to do it with sufficient accuracy/pace/cunning/combo of all three to beat the keeper. Something Sunderland generally didn't do well enough, but that's by the by here.

Furthermore, they hit the post twice and we won by four goals, so it's highly plausible we'd still have won even if they'd scored twice instead of hitting the post.

We clearly need to do better in defence, though and conceed fewer shots at goal. Funes Mori looks like anyone with pace/skills/strength/heading ability will have him on toast. That said, it's possible our lax attitude to preventing shots on goal was basically down to the fact we were playing sunderland and it was obvious we could pretty much score when we wanted.
TBF, given that we lost 2-1 to Arsenal and Rom hit the bar near the end we might well have got a draw.

Completely agree, but it's more about how it's easier to spin it negatively than positively.
ok we relied on Sunderland not being able to hit the target when they got the chance to avoid a massive defeat - my point was that sunderland, who are shyte, tore our defence apart and if they were a decent team them we would have been heavily beaten

I think the fact that Sunderland already need to get positive results and win rather than not lose was the telling factor. we played loose because we could afford to play loose as they were allowing us to hit them on the counter. Sunderland did create chances and they scored twice and hit the post twice - but really that was all that they did. If we are guilty of anything its that we are still to overly complicated in midfield - a quicker ball and as with Lukaku's goal put the ball in front of him to run onto and he is an awesome sight.

Funes Mori will be a giant for us if we can keep him. Think Lescott when he first joined and Funes Mori I think is a far better prospect.

Despite the collywobbles we displayed - their two goals were dramatically facilitated by our own actions. We can and I suppose must tighten up the defence ... but with a defensive squad of Howard, Robles, Baines, Browning, Galloway, Jagielka, Holgate, Stones, Funes Mori, Coleman and Oviedo I am not too uncomfortable with the potential combinations. Funes Mori and Jagielka was beginning to work. Jags injury means the pairing is now average age of 21 - which is challenging but loaded with potential. As we enter a run of games with teams in the lower half of the table, I am thankful that we do not play Leicester until a few weeks - Vardy and Mirhaz are on fire... but give Stones and Funes Mori the time to really click and connect and I think we will be well amazed.

The only thing I did miss from Tuesday was Robles' flatter delivery when clearing from the hand - Pantillimon had the same approach - the flatter and faster ball is what Romelu really thrives on.... I would love Howard to be able to get a similar shape

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Post  Tonteau on Mon 02 Nov 2015, 10:17 pm

error 404 wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
Statman wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
error 404 wrote:Watched the highlights last night, and the woodwork saved us from a terrible defeat, as did sunderland's poor defending, they left themselves wide open for our counter attacks, something hardly any other team does at our place.

So great result, but let's not kid ourselves, our defence was poor, and we won't score 6 against any other team.  We were just lucky we were playing Sunderland.

I'd like to call bullshit on this particular line of argument, along with 'if the keeper had/hadn't saved all our shots we'd have lost/won', 'if they weren't shite/had better players we'd have lost.', 'a penalty shootout is a lottery' etc. etc. Were you claiming we'd have drawn with Arsenal if Rom's header hadn't hit the crossbar last week?

The idea with scoring goals is to first get the ball on target, hitting the post is not the target, it's close but it's definitely not the target. Having hit the target, you then have to do it with sufficient accuracy/pace/cunning/combo of all three to beat the keeper. Something Sunderland generally didn't do well enough, but that's by the by here.

Furthermore, they hit the post twice and we won by four goals, so it's highly plausible we'd still have won even if they'd scored twice instead of hitting the post.

We clearly need to do better in defence, though and conceed fewer shots at goal. Funes Mori looks like anyone with pace/skills/strength/heading ability will have him on toast. That said, it's possible our lax attitude to preventing shots on goal was basically down to the fact we were playing sunderland and it was obvious we could pretty much score when we wanted.
TBF, given that we lost 2-1 to Arsenal and Rom hit the bar near the end we might well have got a draw.

Completely agree, but it's more about how it's easier to spin it negatively than positively.
ok we relied on Sunderland not being able to hit the target when they got the chance to avoid a massive defeat - my point was that sunderland, who are shyte, tore our defence apart and if they were a decent team them we would have been heavily beaten

I get what you're saying, Jay, and some of the defending was very slapdash on Sunday, but we conceded fewer chances against Arsenal, who are a significantly better team than Sunderland. I think it's to do with mentality of playing a side that are so clearly poor. Once at 5-a-side, some bloke's sister turned up to play. We all assumed she'd be shite so didn't really think to mark her that tightly (joke here) but it turns out she played for Nottingham Forest Ladies or a similar women's side and was quite handy in front of goal. She scored about 5 in the first half, all good shots, anyhow second half she got marked a lot better didn't get a sniff and never chased back so we won easily.
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Post  Armchair on Mon 02 Nov 2015, 10:33 pm

Tonteau wrote:
error 404 wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
Statman wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
error 404 wrote:Watched the highlights last night, and the woodwork saved us from a terrible defeat, as did sunderland's poor defending, they left themselves wide open for our counter attacks, something hardly any other team does at our place.

So great result, but let's not kid ourselves, our defence was poor, and we won't score 6 against any other team.  We were just lucky we were playing Sunderland.

I'd like to call bullshit on this particular line of argument, along with 'if the keeper had/hadn't saved all our shots we'd have lost/won', 'if they weren't shite/had better players we'd have lost.', 'a penalty shootout is a lottery' etc. etc. Were you claiming we'd have drawn with Arsenal if Rom's header hadn't hit the crossbar last week?

The idea with scoring goals is to first get the ball on target, hitting the post is not the target, it's close but it's definitely not the target. Having hit the target, you then have to do it with sufficient accuracy/pace/cunning/combo of all three to beat the keeper. Something Sunderland generally didn't do well enough, but that's by the by here.

Furthermore, they hit the post twice and we won by four goals, so it's highly plausible we'd still have won even if they'd scored twice instead of hitting the post.

We clearly need to do better in defence, though and conceed fewer shots at goal. Funes Mori looks like anyone with pace/skills/strength/heading ability will have him on toast. That said, it's possible our lax attitude to preventing shots on goal was basically down to the fact we were playing sunderland and it was obvious we could pretty much score when we wanted.
TBF, given that we lost 2-1 to Arsenal and Rom hit the bar near the end we might well have got a draw.

Completely agree, but it's more about how it's easier to spin it negatively than positively.
ok we relied on Sunderland not being able to hit the target when they got the chance to avoid a massive defeat - my point was that sunderland, who are shyte, tore our defence apart and if they were a decent team them we would have been heavily beaten

I get what you're saying, Jay, and some of the defending was very slapdash on Sunday, but we conceded fewer chances against Arsenal, who are a significantly better team than Sunderland. I think it's to do with mentality of playing a side that are so clearly poor. Once at 5-a-side, some bloke's sister turned up to play. We all assumed she'd be shite so didn't really think to mark her that tightly (joke here) but it turns out she played for Nottingham Forest Ladies or a similar women's side and was quite handy in front of goal. She scored about 5 in the first half, all good shots, anyhow second half she got marked a lot better didn't get a sniff and never chased back so we won easily.

Sign her!
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Post  Made 4 Gwladys on Mon 02 Nov 2015, 10:35 pm

Armchair wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
error 404 wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
Statman wrote:
Tonteau wrote:
error 404 wrote:Watched the highlights last night, and the woodwork saved us from a terrible defeat, as did sunderland's poor defending, they left themselves wide open for our counter attacks, something hardly any other team does at our place.

So great result, but let's not kid ourselves, our defence was poor, and we won't score 6 against any other team.  We were just lucky we were playing Sunderland.

I'd like to call bullshit on this particular line of argument, along with 'if the keeper had/hadn't saved all our shots we'd have lost/won', 'if they weren't shite/had better players we'd have lost.', 'a penalty shootout is a lottery' etc. etc. Were you claiming we'd have drawn with Arsenal if Rom's header hadn't hit the crossbar last week?

The idea with scoring goals is to first get the ball on target, hitting the post is not the target, it's close but it's definitely not the target. Having hit the target, you then have to do it with sufficient accuracy/pace/cunning/combo of all three to beat the keeper. Something Sunderland generally didn't do well enough, but that's by the by here.

Furthermore, they hit the post twice and we won by four goals, so it's highly plausible we'd still have won even if they'd scored twice instead of hitting the post.

We clearly need to do better in defence, though and conceed fewer shots at goal. Funes Mori looks like anyone with pace/skills/strength/heading ability will have him on toast. That said, it's possible our lax attitude to preventing shots on goal was basically down to the fact we were playing sunderland and it was obvious we could pretty much score when we wanted.
TBF, given that we lost 2-1 to Arsenal and Rom hit the bar near the end we might well have got a draw.

Completely agree, but it's more about how it's easier to spin it negatively than positively.
ok we relied on Sunderland not being able to hit the target when they got the chance to avoid a massive defeat - my point was that sunderland, who are shyte, tore our defence apart and if they were a decent team them we would have been heavily beaten

I get what you're saying, Jay, and some of the defending was very slapdash on Sunday, but we conceded fewer chances against Arsenal, who are a significantly better team than Sunderland. I think it's to do with mentality of playing a side that are so clearly poor. Once at 5-a-side, some bloke's sister turned up to play. We all assumed she'd be shite so didn't really think to mark her that tightly (joke here) but it turns out she played for Nottingham Forest Ladies or a similar women's side and was quite handy in front of goal. She scored about 5 in the first half, all good shots, anyhow second half she got marked a lot better didn't get a sniff and never chased back so we won easily.

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